didnt bring the spo15 into the discussion, i simply said its the same concept.
no no i never it can engage enemy sam, simply said that it can help guiding the pilot to the correct way.
you dont need all this when you have a good radar, just like you said that can detect everything. we have seen su35 doing so without using a pod. simply using a radar, same with su30sm.
i did not say that the plane need to depend on the rwr to engage. you said it
It can still display the RWR contact in the HMD which is half of what Cyprus was on about the F-35 being able to do.
Though if we are talking about EFTs vs F-22/F-35s, I think its time for the AESA Typhoons to get that DASS upgrade in game
First things first, the F-22 has at least 2 axillary countermeasure bays, + space available for dispenser(s) on the lower surface, immediately behind the Main weapons bay’s, of which I count the space available for an additional four or six dispenser magazines total (two or three per side, you may need to zoom in the photo). Which would give a theoretical total of at most 144 1" * 2" countermeasures, if they were uniformly loaded which is unlikely to be the case it’s likely that the concealed side Bays are reserved for flares where chaff are mounted behind the main bays to minimize the risk of jamming mechanisms open when launched so a more reasonable assumption would be;
72 (6, bespoke cut down(3x4, not 3x5) MJU 12 dispensers)flares and 120 / 180 (leading reference to ?MJU-15?, may be a reduced part count development of the MJU-11, seems weird to otherwise have a duplicate entry)units of chaff.
The dispensers used by the F-22 is known as the ALE-52, which appears to use a bespoke version of the MJU-12 Flare Magazine that evidently that has a 3 x 4 (12 countermeasure units) configuration, in place of the expected 3 x 5 (15 units) of the MJU-11.
The only issue is that the 1 * 2" flare size is not known to have a Chaff formulation, but it is known that the F-22 uses Chaff, so must have separate dispensers somewhere for 1 * 1" countermeasures, which would permit RR-170, RR-180, or later model chaff “war-loads”, I don’t think it’s rated for Flares but that doesn’t stop the M-130 (due to the presence of the ALQ-144(V) IR-Jammer, it is doctrinally redundant) on the AH-1F / AH-64 in game.
MJU-39 / -40 are multispectral Kinematic flares (one is likely to Covert, so has limited / no visual signature during deployment).
It’s likely that there is a jammer on board as well for Radar missiles, and I wouldn’t put it past the USAF to have a towed decoy or two onboard like the ALE-70 (as seen on the F-35) or some such systems too.
200km-60km without being seen and sure, you can defeat those missiles, but you can’t see the Raptor while it can see you, and guide in it’s missiles.
Lol? No amraam shot is hitting at 200 clicks, 60km is also still pushing it. The Eurofighter can literally out run a lot of missiles in game currently, and the raptor needs to turn on its radar to see, it doesn’t have an IRST, it needs the radar or its blind. Highly unfortunate that the Eurofighter has pirate and an AESA, its stealth means practically nothing as soon as it closes to <70km. Where the amraam actually hits effective range.
Missed this and it’s worth pointing out this goes for any kinematically strong aircraft. A good pilot playing the typhoon safe is immortal bottom line. Threatened? Turn around, accelerate away. F-22 will be the same.
Though still funny to slap an aircraft like an F16 or F18 in a Tonka because they got too ballsy
Ballsy?? More like completely incompetent lol.
Yeah that too. I’m waiting for the F22 to be a lower BR than the M-Scan Typhoons because of player stats
I love how you need to focus on probably the most insignificant part of what i was trying to convey. 200km-160km whatever, It’s still extreme BVR.
Pushing what? The NEZ? Because that’s closer to 60km than the max range of the 120D.
So can every single 14.3 except for the Superhornet. And further additions to the game won’t change than. F-15EX will be able to do it. J-16 will be able to do it. The F-22 will be able to do it. (and probably without afterburning)
So does pretty much every other plane if they want to have any chance in BVR.
It could also just not use it’s radar on purpose to close the gap.
Not going to get into AWACs but that’s also a thing they could add.
Unbelievable cope man
Unfortunately this all works on the assumption gaijin:
I really hope not. You’d have to be almost trying to do badly for the F-22 to flop but US mains will find a way.
120A/B/andC aren’t even correct lol.
Not even 9L or 9G are.
Assuming of course F22s aren’t just using Aim120C1 to Aim120C5s
My point exactly.
Yeah, just look at the Abrams
Also assuming we’re not on 128x128km nightmare maps where by the time you’re in a kinematic position to launch a 60km missile and expect it to hit you’re already 40km away from the enemy.
Yep that too. Though I am looking forward to firing Meteors at F15s from 100+km away
Adding the 120D is pretty much a given if we’re getting PL-15 slingers. I do agree there’s basically zero chance they get them right.
typhoon gameplay loop c.2027
