I’ll post my calculation here so if something is wrong one of you guys can point it out
It is and it isn’t
Think tornado Gr.4 vs harrier Gr.9 they can do a lot of what the other can but in some areas one is better:
Too many factors to consider
Guns only or are we talking IRIS-T vs Aim-9X?
High alt or low alt?
1v1 or 2v2?
A lot of factors could change the outcome.
US mains will always say the F-22 will win easily. But reality is that its probably quite close, but in-game that wont matter, because US mains are terrible and will probably still have a bad K/D with it
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It can’t jam missiles while notching or going cold though.
Yeah, but there is an attitude that the F-35 is always better. No matter what the situation, the F-35 will be superior
1V1 same pilot skill guns only
leave them out of this. They are stupid I seriously want to know now and get as much info as i can
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The truth is no one knows unless they have performance charts of both F-22 and Rafale in front of them.
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Purely gun only?
F-22 probably, but I wouldnt go as far as to say the F-22 would always win. Like I have actually gotten gunkills vs F-20s in the Tornado GR4
More, it can carry 24 GBU-53. 8 internally, and 8 on each wing.
Well no and we both understand that.
In limited numbers as a strike aircraft operating in enemy territory the eft is outclassed significantly by the F-35.
If you just want to blow up as much stuff as you can eft is much better.
With no A2A missile though right? and no stealth
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But then no stealth so why bother lol
With A2A. 2 AMRAAM + 2 sidewinder
And yes no stealth. But again, the point is that the F-35A going with full loadout will outCAS the Eurofighter.
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As we can see the max thrust thrust each F119-PW-100 (engine used by F-22) can produce 155.7kN or 35,000 lbst of thrust with full after burner hence the total combined thrust 70,000 with after burner. Without after burner each engine can produce 97.9kN or 22,000lbst of thrust hence total output of 44,000 lbst
Now MTOW for F-22 is 83,500 lbs. Now we can calculate its thrust to weight ratio at this weight
With after burner
70,000/83,500 = 0.8383 ≈ 0.84
Without after burner
44,000/83,500 = 0.5269 ≈ 0.53
Now lets calculate the theoretical maximum thrust to weight ratio ( Only empty weight and nothing else). Its empty weight is 43,340 lbs
70,000/43,340 = 1.615
This is just the theoretical maximum T/W ratio of the F-22 which is of no use but i still wanted it include it anyways
Now lets calculate its thrust to weight ratio at 50% fuel with full air to air loadout with a pilot
In full air to air loadout it can carry 6 AMRAAMS and 2 AIM-9X so the weight would be around 2,318 and lets approximate it to 2,350 for the pilot as well
The F-22 can carry 18,000 lbs of fuel and 50% for it would be 9,000 so the total misc. weight would be 11,350. So the total weight of the F-22 would be 54,690. Now lets calculate thrust to weight ratio
With after burner
70,000/54,690 = 1.27
Without after burner
44,000/54,690 = 0.804
This gives us a range for thrust to weight ratio at minimum of 50% fuel to be 1.27 to 0.8. As the payload increase the weight would also increase and hence decreasing the Thrust to weight ratio
If something is wrong with my calculation or anything else i would appreciate it if you guys can point it out
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I answered you lol F-22 out classes them both at low speed. However the eft has huge SEP advantages and could likely win by using the canted vertical.
TWR isn’t always the best indication of overall power. How the engine makes this power and where is also very important.
Just realised, swap the Brimstones out for Spice-250s. Thats 16x Spice-250s and 6 Brimstones. So 2x ASRAAM/IRIS-T + 4x Meteor + 16x Spice-250 + 6x Brimstones vs 2x Aim-9 + 2x Aim-120 + 24x GBU-53.
All that effort for 2x more A2G weapons and you have to give up your only major advantage which is stealth.
and it might be able to carry 6x Spice-250 racks. So that would be 24
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Why does this have to be repeated? The F-35A is not giving up anything since its being compared to a plane that isn’t stealthy to begin with. Where a Eurofighter can fly with the loadout you mentioned, the F-35A can fly with more. And where a Eurofighter can’t fly because AA density is too much, a F-35A can fly with reduced loadout. This is a win in both case for the F-35A
Your point would be valid if the Eurofighter was stealthy and could carry this.
lmao can it even reach the target first. there is no cas in modern warfare, only long range glide/cruise A2G munitions or hypersonic weapons.
Ask Iran and Venezuela. These BUK M2 and S-300 sure did them good.
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