It’s not. LRF doesn’t come into play at all even in the slightest below 1500m and the dart is mediocre. The T58 is unironically superior on most maps.
Most open maps I’d take the BRENUS. Any cc maps T-58.
It can be useful if you only see the turret of somebody peeking over a hill at like 1km.
completely fine for the BR to be honest
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Most maps… are CC maps
If you’re under 1km its trivial to manually aim
These words don’t have meanings. It’s mediocre for the BR. You can accept mediocre things.
I said it makes it easier. (if you only see the cupola of a tank at 900m the lrf is a more surefire way to hit.
Yes mediocre is fine for where it sits rn.
Look my main point of comparison was to point out that tanks which are in some ways worse than the T-58 sit higher than it. We both agree the T-58 is better in most matches and thus can easily go up but it will not due to reasons I stated before
This thing is still a menace. I’d say move it to 9.0 or even 9.3 for good measure.
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lmao
This also may be partially my fault.
I have a 4.26~ KDr in it.
Hmm… it’s almost like i said that over and over again, but only you and a few other listened.
Most people are okay with Bias if it isn’t Russian.
I said set it at the same br as its historical rival, the Obj.279
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It is rather funny watching them use all the arguments about it’s weaknesses that they claim are irrelevant when talking about Russian tanks, like “T58s armour isn’t strong, you can pen its LFP” never mind that unlike Russian tanks it has gun depression and can hull down or how they scream about how OP that 0.1 sec reload buff was for the T-72s because reload is THAT important, but claim reload speed is irrelevant on this thing
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Actually when people complain about russia its because of this:
Data mines dont lie mate. From added invisible armor sections to remove all internal spall to breaches thats hitboxes are shrunk… russian bias is absolutely proven by the actual game data.
Not saying the t58 sucks to fight about, cry wolf as if its the same thing. It isnt. T58 is just a hard heavy tank to fight, and it absolutely shouldnt face 10.0 uptiers. Also… dont peak your corners and try to donk it if its hull down. Flank, or go some where else. Its slow, ponderous, and sucks to fight head on - so stop trying to.
Meanwhile, russia 10.7 and up is literally hand held while the bmpt has single handedly obliterated most average players experiences.
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I could make the same comparisons with US mains crying about the Type 90 or the French 7.7 tanks or the PZH-2000s, I just used the Russian stuff as its a more direct comparison.
Players want their OP tank to stay under BRed while arguing that other, less OP stuff should go up.
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Thats understandable, I think the issue for the t58 is that it is a low velocity gun on an unstabilized and slow platform - if it goes higher then the issue is it will face either 10.0 or 10.3 - and thats insane.
Maybe some br decompression would help - but the base of the tank is literally a 7.7 tank. The turret sucks, but stuff in an upteir can reliably pen it. There really isnt much that can be done right now unless gaijin wants to fix its spaghetti penetration calc
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yeah, it always comes back to this doesn’t it? Fighting a T58 as a 7.7 on a map with hills where it can hull down on is completely different to fighting it as a 9.7 on a flat map.
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Thats a fair point, I am us main and I dont own this one so i havent had to fight it. At 7.7 there isnt a lot that can face pen it, and flanking can be harder on certain maps.
I do occasionally play a very mean t32e1, which hull down or at rangw bounces a lot - closest analogue I have for for t58
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BIggest issue what I’ve noticed on T58 is that black hole of impenetrable force on that “neck” of turret.
That collar eats nearly anything. 442mm penning 120mm dart , did nothing on it , next round on turret just breach , 3rd turret in middle of hull Engine and 2 members… It really eats shots same way as terminator ate in 10.3-11.0
There was a brief time when it was first added that you had USA v.s USA battles. It really wasn’t much special. They went down as easy as any other tank.
The issue is people like cloudzy have simply made a career out of exclusively complaining about U.S vehicles.