How many tanks at 8.3 runs APFSFDS on the whole BR bracket?
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Lets remember this thing its still 8.0 with a good gun,good ammo and insane reload speed
Low profile too,i way too often get killed by this hiding in the most absurd and invisible spots
All it needs its to remove the insane overpressure system it has on its ammo,thats there for no reason…
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HESH is strictly worse than HE in this game. Its still an 11kg HESH round on a 3s reload. However, compared to the other HESH rounds in the game it performs WAY better. The Centurion AVRE has 20kg shell and a 27s reload and far less effective even on a per-shot basis.
The T58 still sits below the chieftan mk3, which should automatically be a red flag. Better armor than the chieftan, better rounds, a third the fire rate, and only lacking a stab for all of that. The chieftan also struggles to pen any part of the T58 turret, with only the area below the gun being reliable.
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M247? 20mm at 1km is going to have issues.
Really bad gun depression, slightly worse turret rotation speed than Turm III, pretty mediocre gun elevation speed (pretty abysmal compared to Turm III), no 30mm (unlike Turm III), no APDS (though it gets APHE) and worse survivability than Turm III.
Though it gets great reverses speed and better reload (4.3s instead of 5s).
It could definitely go to 8.3.
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Its already low profile??What you need gun depression for?Its literally a pancake
“no 30mm”,why the heck should the Obj have a 30m to begin with
APHE better than APDS
Survivability its = as most tanks with low armor
More ammo = bigger weak point to implode
Place that Obj in any position from medium range and it will win most of the times if you shot first
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Low profile doesn’t compensate for bad gun depression, it just help a bit.
You still will struggle to get your gun on target even if you are only a slightly steep hill.
Example (Obj 775 instead of 906 – same gun depression of -5 degrees):
Even with Pancake losing ~0.3/0.4m in height, it barely could get gun on target against that Centurion Mk.10 on that small incline.
Now let’s give the Pancake an extra -1 or -2 degrees of gun depression:
I’m comparing it to the Turm III, which is 8.3 (or 8.7 if they finally move it up).
Depends on the situation.
You can kill the Obj 906 by shooting it in the hull pretty much anywhere.
Because of the Turm III’s oscillating turret design (effectively having an armoured turret basket and separator that absorbs spall) , you pretty much have to shoot the left or right portion of the turret, maybe the right portion of the hull.
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APHE its literally the best ammo in the game for post pen damage
Its like throwing a nuke inside of a vehicle
This is how it feels shooting APHE
Thats insanely argueable since if you get way too much ammo youre a walking bomb
What youre saying apply only when you get like less than 10 ammo on the Turm
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Some 8.3 tanks. T-55A, M48A2 G, olifant, Magach 6, type 59D, MARS.
There are also tanks like the Italian HVG from the IS-7 event and the Israeli m113 with same gun, given it’s a very bad APFSDS, but it can still penetrate the T58.
Please correct me if I am wrong. But these are the tanks I can remember top of my head.
The T58, is balanced by the fact that most people use the HESH rounds instead of the horrible APHE, that makes it partial to the HEAT slingers like AMX-30/DF105; not saying that HEAT rounds are good or something, but that puts them on a more even ground despite the BR differences.
100% true but you aren’t going pen most things frontally, especially MBTs at 8.7+.
It’s why sabot and APFSDS generally become more important than APHE – though APHE can still be very useful against things from the side.
Kinda. It still has the spall shield regardless of how much ammo you take, so shooting for crew via hull shot may not always work.
~20 Shells in Turm III isn’t that hard to detonate but it’s definitely harder than the maximum of 47 shells you can carry, and which is displayed in protection analysis.
TURM III has no survivality like the DF105/Mardar chassis tanks. Anywhere can be one shot with APHE.
Likewise, even with APDS, it has higher chance than average to be severely disabled (gun breech, autoloader etc) instead of just having commander and gunner killed.
You shouldn’t use it as a talking point honestly.
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I think you will find that any sort of howitzer can overpressure things by shooting them in the tracks.
Oh man you clearly don’t know how survivable the DF105 and Turm III is when you’re shooting HEATFS / APDS at its hull.
DF105 doesn’t even get a turret basket / autoloader.
Indeed, the Mardar based DF105 is very survivable, but not the Leopard 1, which TURM is based on.
Rare moment i agree with tiger here, why are you shooting turm III in the hull lmao, its turret is full of ammo on one side and have two crews on the other
Well to be fair, I wouldn’t say it’s my strongest point for it being too good for 8.3.
I agree that you can kill it fairly easily if you shoot for the turret (as stated here):
But I can’t say that it hasn’t been frustrating shooting hull shots at the Turms III and not getting any damage from it.
Nope,even Howi most of the time struggles to do such thing,rarely happends with SPGs,why does the T58 have 100% success rate of killing you from it tho?Unknown
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Thats why Object 279 have better pen with an APHE shell than a literally APFSDS
(Its the only one btw that has such thing iirc)
My poor Aubl, it’s still so bad… m300 has such bad spall