What are some vehicles you guy's believe should/could get their historical weapon's at this point in time?

well, darn. I looks like im wrong here:

Arboga Robot museum(Arboga Missile Museum, national museum.)

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The RB24J Sidewinder is an air-launched air-to-air missile of American origin, part of the Sidewinder family. The RB24J corresponds closely to the American version AIM-9J, which began to be introduced into the Swedish Air Force in 1978. The missile is named after the American pit viper Sidewinder (Crotalus Cerastes), known for using infrared vision to locate its prey and capable of killing in complete darkness.

Features and Improvements:

In this version, several modifications were made based on the previous RB 24B model. These modifications primarily consisted of tactical usage improvements. The missile could be carried by all versions of the Saab 37 Viggen and the JAS 39 Gripen aircraft. The RB 24J featured an improved infrared (IR) seeker that guided the missile toward heat sources. Once the pilot’s aircraft reached a favorable attack position, the pilot activated the missile’s seeker. When the seeker locked onto the target, a tone was heard in the pilot’s headset, and the missile could be fired.

The missile was propelled by an improved solid rocket motor, providing longer flight time. The warhead system consisted of a combat unit initiated by a laser proximity fuse manufactured in Sweden. The warhead could also be triggered by impact fuzes upon direct hits. The hexatonal warhead spread shrapnel in all directions.

The avionics now included many transistors, and the power source remained a solid fuel gas-driven turbo generator. Enhancements included thermal cooling of the seeker’s detector element to around -30°C and an IR window in the 2.3 – 2.9-micrometer wavelength range for increased sensitivity. The nose section was conically shaped to reduce air resistance, the fins were reshaped to a double-delta form for better maneuverability, and the solid rocket motor had increased thrust and longer burn time, doubling the missile’s flight time. The IR proximity fuse was replaced by a Swedish-manufactured laser proximity fuse.

During the free flight phase, the lead angle was increased to 40 degrees, and a new function called the Rate-Bias circuit was introduced into the avionics. This function directed the seeker slightly ahead of the actual aiming point in the target, an advantage if tracking was lost in the final phase.

Before launch, the RB24J seeker was locked parallel to the aircraft’s line of sight, with the target indicated by a higher frequency tone. The missile was aimed and fired similarly to the RB24B and was guided to the target in the same way.

In the Saab 37 and 39 aircraft, the seeker could be released for target tracking before launch to improve hit probability. For the JA37 and JAS39 aircraft, a Head-Up Display (HUD) adapter could be installed to present the target designation symbol, called IR-MUS, in the aircraft’s sightline indicator.

The RB24J started to be introduced into the Swedish Air Force (Flygvapnet) in 1978.

Specifications:

  • Length: 3.047 m

  • Warhead: 4.8 kg

  • Wingspan: 0.559 m

  • Arming Conditions: Acceleration > 18 g for 1.4 seconds

  • Weight: 81 kg

  • Arming Time: 1.4 seconds

  • Motor Thrust: 17,000 N (SAO-109)

  • Motor Burn Time: 3.5 seconds

  • Maximum Speed: Mach 2.0

  • Maximum Proximity Fuse Distance: 9 meters

  • Minimum Speed for Controlled Flight: Mach 0.8

  • Self-Destruct Time: 43 seconds

  • Seeker Lobe Width: 2 degrees

  • Seeker Precession Rate: 16.5 degrees/second

  • Maximum Guided Flight Time at 3,000 m Altitude: approximately 40 seconds

  • Weapon Carriers: J35D/F/J, AJ37, AJS37, SH37, SF37, JA37, and JAS39

From what i read the Rb27&Rb28 but since these were never in-service. only tested on a J35D variant i believe?

Sammanfattning

RB27 and RB28

On display at the Robot Museum

Robot RB27 and RB28 belong to the American Falcon family and are developed from the basic version Air Interception Missile 26 and AIM-4 . It originated in the United States and in 1955 delivery began to the US Navy for arming the F9F Cougar and FJ3 Fury aircraft and later also the USAF for arming the F102 Delta Dagger , F106 Delta Dart and F4 Phatom II .

Sweden began negotiating with the USA as early as 1958 to be able to purchase the versions GAR-1 with semi-active radar target seeker and GAR-2 with IR target seeker. The Falcon robots and a Radar sighting system (Fire Control System FCS) adapted for them were developed by Hughes Airkraft Company, HAC. The robots were available in five versions and in addition to the above mentioned also GAR-11 with semi-active radar target finder and nuclear charge, GAR-3 with semi-active radar target finder (more expensive version) and GAR-4 with IR target finder working at 3-4 µm wavelength. Sweden chose as the radar robot GAR-11 with conventional effect part (combat part) and new ZON tube. It was given the designation HM-55 by HAC and RB27 in the Air Force . The GAR-2 with the target seeker from the GAR-4 was chosen as the IR robot. It was given the designation HM-58 by HAC and in FV RB-28 . These versions were also purchased by the USAF under the designation AMI-26B (RB27) and AMI-4C (RB28).

Hunting robot RB 27

RB27 for demonstration. Image UGM

The RB 27 was procured for the Air Force to combat fast-flying bombers at high altitude and at long range in all weathers and in the dark. The RB27 was fitted with a radar echo-detecting passive (semi-active) target seeker adapted to the carrier aircraft’s Aiming Radar PS-01/011. The robot’s target seeker and control system could lead the robot in a collision course towards a calculated hit point, i.e. according to the principle of aim bearing navigation (also called proportional navigation) and to continuously correct this course taking into account the target’s speed, course and altitude changes. The robot was normally fired during a direct attack DA calculated by the aircraft’s Radar sight S-7B3/31 with a possible subsequent Jaktkurve attack JK (so-called double attack). The target seeker required radar illumination of the target with the aircraft’s sighting radar, alternatively control using noise or CW (Continuous Waw) type jamming signals from the target during the approach time. The robot was steered aerodynamically with trailing-edge rudders on wings and corrected for disturbances in all planes with an automatic controller. The robot’s avionics consisted of miniature components that included subminiature electron tubes. As a power source, an adapted electricity supply from the carrier aircraft was used, and after switching to “Internal power” with an irreversible quick-activating battery and hydraulic system. Before firing, the robot had to be primed, which was done in steps called A, B, C, and F prime and determined by the sight. These concerned the choice of robot and the power supply, but also when and how the target seeker would be slaved to the frequency and distance measurement of the flight radar and the pointing direction of the radar antenna.

The robot was propelled by a single-stage powder rocket engine. The effector consisted of a warhead with a zigzag link that was initiated from an active radar zone tube or by impact contacts. The robot was hung from a Robot beam F5 with which the aircraft supplied the target seeker’s avionics before firing through cabling and a retractable connector.

The RB27 was manufactured under license in Sweden by Bofors and SAAB as well as LM Ericsson and began to be supplied to the Swedish FV in 1965.

Robot 27. Image SAAB/FMV

Data, Performance

Length 2,169m
Combat charge 6.6 kg
Span 0.620 m
Reinforcement conditions Acceleration >40 gi <0.8 s
Weight 116.5 kg
Arming time 1.2 – 2.2 sec
Delayed Zone Tube Initiation BAK Seizure 9 ms
Self-destruction 27 sec
Engine power at 20 gr 25000N
Engine burning time 2.0 sec (gunpowder)
Max controlled flight time at flight altitude 3.0 km approx. 14 sec
My speed for controllable flight M 1.0
Max speed above the aircraft M 1.4
Target seeker frequency range x-band (8 – 12.5 GHz)
Target seeker lobe width
Stationary 25 degrees
When rotating 50 degrees
The target seeker’s maximum deflection angle 45 degrees
The target finder’s maximum precision speed 6 degrees/s
Target seeker’s enslaving speed about 10 degrees/s
Battery capacity 0.7 Ah
Maximum removable battery time about 90 p

Weapon carrier: J35F and J35J

Hunting robot RB28

RB28 for demonstration. Image UGM

The RB28 was procured for the Air Force along with the RB27. It was intended to be used primarily for combating bombers at high altitude in clear weather within line of sight or in darkness. The RB28 was fitted with a passive heavily cooled IR-sensitive target seeker with an indium/antimonide detector. The material and cooling allowed an IR window within a wavelength for detection of relatively low heat that resulted in tracking on the target in almost all directions and less impact of jamming. The robot’s target finder and control system could, like the RB27, guide the robot in a collision course towards a calculated hit point, i.e. according to the principle of aim bearing navigation and to continuously correct this course with regard to the target’s speed, course and altitude changes. The robot was normally fired during an aim-calculated Direct Attack DA with a possible subsequent Hunting Curve attack JK (so-called double attack). Alternatively, it could be fired with the seeker locked and parallel to the aircraft’s line of sight when visually targeting.

The target seeker required IR signal from the hot parts of the target during the walking time towards the same. The robot was steered aerodynamically with trailing-edge rudders on wings and corrected for disturbances in all planes with an automatic controller. The robot’s avionics consisted of miniature components that included subminiature electron tubes. As a power source, an adapted electricity supply from the carrier aircraft was used, and after switching to “Internal power” with an irreversible quick-activating battery and cooling system as well as a hydraulic system. Before firing, the robot had to be primed, which was done in steps called A, B, C, and F prime and determined by the sight. These concerned the choice of the robot and the power supply, but also when and how the target seeker should be slaved to the pointing direction of the radar antenna or the sight’s target.

The robot was propelled by a single-stage powder rocket engine. The effect part consisted of a combat part which was initiated by impact contacts. The robot was hung from a Robot beam (same as the RB27) with which the aircraft supplied the target seeker’s avionics before firing through cabling and a retractable connector.

The RB28 was license manufactured in Sweden by Bofors and SAAB as well as LM Ericsson and began to be supplied to the Swedish Air Force in 1965.

Robot 28. Image SAAB/FMV

Data, Performance

Length 2,012m
Combat charge 1.3 kg
Span 0.508 m
Reinforcement conditions Acceleration >20 gi 0.4 – 0.7s
Weight 61 kg
Arming time 1.0 – 2.0 sec
Self-destruction 25 sec
Engine power at 20 gr 18800 N (gunpowder)
Engine burning time at 20 gr 1.3 sec
Max controlled flight time at flight altitude 3.0 km about 12 p
My speed for controllable flight M 1.0
Max speed above the aircraft M 1.4
Target seeker wavelength range 3.84 – 5.5 µm
Target seeker lobe width
Stationary 3.5 degrees
When rotating 6.3 degrees
The target seeker’s maximum deflection angle 47 degrees
The target finder’s maximum precision speed 6 degrees/s
Target seeker’s enslaving speed about 10 degrees/s
The working temperature of the IR cell -180 degrees C
Maximum cooling time that can be withdrawn About 60 – 80s
Maximum removable battery time about 90 p

Weapon carrier: J35F and J35J

Then you have the very hotly debated Rb74

Sammanfattning

RB71

On display at the Robot Museum

Area of ​​use

Robot 71 was a medium-range fighter robot for JA37 Viggen aircraft.

History

Robot 71 is the Swedish name for the English Skyflash , developed and manufactured by British Aerospace Defense Dynamics. The robot has been operational on JA37 Viggen since 1980 and underwent modification in Sweden in the 1990s.

System description

Robot 71 is a semi-active radar hunting robot, which means that the robot is equipped with a passive radar receiver that assumes that the aircraft’s radar illuminates the target. The reflected radar radiation is captured by the robot’s target seeker, which receives information about the direction of the target.

The following main units are included in Robot 71:

  • Radome
  • Target finder/Zone tube section
  • Automatic steering/Power unit section
  • Wing hub section with rudder
  • Combat part
  • Rocket engine with wings and rear antenna.

The target seeker receives radar echoes from the target and background and filters out target signals for further transmission to the control unit. The target finder is made up of antenna, receiver and signal processing unit.

The controller converts the direction to the target into control data for the robot. The automatic control unit also ensures that the robot has a stable trajectory. This control principle is called target bearing control.

The zone tube has the task of detecting when the robot is within the range of action of the combat unit and via the fuse and arming unit to initiate the combat unit. Direct impact on the target also initiates the combat part.

The warhead’s shrapnel is of the link type, “continuous rod”, which means that it has two layers of steel rods around the explosive. The steel rods are joined at the ends. Upon detonation, a steel ring is formed which hits and produces a coherent cut in the target.

The robot is propelled to high supersonic speed by a gunpowder rocket engine which is designed so that the gunpowder gases will not prevent the illumination radar’s reference signal from reaching the robot’s rear antenna. The reference signal is needed so that the robot can know with certainty that the reflected radar echoes really originate from the aircraft’s radar.

Read more:

The acquisition of Robot 7 1 (Rolf Nordström)

Air Power Australia (External link)

Technical data

Weight 195 kg
Length 3.7 m
Span 1 m
Engine The powder rocket
Scope >30 km
Max speed >700 m/s
Target seeker Semi-active radar
Goal Aerial target
Principle of action Link splitter
Initiation of action part Zone pipes, allowances
Platform JA37 Viggen

not talking abou the IRS-T and Rb 99 since they doesent relate to the JA-37C, AJ-37 etc.

Now im going to bed

It is- the falcons were provided when the XS’s were shipped to finland iirc.

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The J-35XS should get its missing Falcons and R-13M missiles as it carried both in Finnish service together.

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jh-7a with its 4 KD-88

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Actually overall they just need to add R-13M back to the planes that carried it.

Why they removed R-13M and replaced it with R-13M1 on some planes or didnt replace it at all is really odd.

The MiG-19PT, MiG-21S/SPS-K/SMT/MF/BiS and MiG-23/27s are all capable of carrying it.

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Nobody claimed they didn’t, if you actually read what he is responding to you would see that he is responding to a guy claiming that Western tanks have it removed to force them to “play like Russian tanks” by pointing out that IRL Russian tanks have those systems to.

To be fair given russian corruption they might not ;)

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in un-related news, top Russian General arrested with thermal imaging in his Lada…
LADA

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Given that the later variants of the rb27/28 had a proxyfuze id see it helping the J35XS a great deal.

Im still sour the J35D was added instead of the J35F or J35J…

I don’t think the RB28 would be helpful at all, but the RB27 could be nice to have.

The Falcon really isn’t a good missile at all. There is a reason why they were replaced by the Sidewinder and Sparrow ASAP.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for adding older, less effective missiles, but to say they would help a 11.3 plane is a bit of a stretch

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and that guy claming that they have equivalent FCS systems is not knowing what he is wiriting about as he has absolutly no idea how T72 laser range finder and postion of gun reticel and laser reticle looks. Then having teh audicaicty to claim thata a analoge balsitic computer is even on paar with a digilized system and that the gunners have to manuly lead teh target, dont get me startet. Not mention that soviet tanks have a way to short sussenpsion to effectivly shoot on the move because alower silute is more important. I dont even want to begin. So yes the advantages of western tanks are being negated while soviet tanks are gettint those “advantages” simply “imagined” in.

Thats not really accurate. The initial models were equal to or better than the initial models of Sparrows and Sidewinders. The difference is Falcon missiles were designed for direct hits to increase the odds of a kill on bombers. Much like Sidewinders, they recieved substantial upgrades in capability as time went along, keeping pace up until the all aspect Sidewinders.

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T-80B used a 1A33 fire control system which included fully automatic lead calculation and digital ballistics computer since 1972.
T-72A/B required manual lead based on the mils given by the 1A40-1 sight complex that became standard in 1982.
T-62M Had the BV-62 analog ballistic computer installed in 1983, it was used because it was a cheap way to modernize an outdated tank.
So you are while you are correct for at least the non-modernized variants of the T-72 series, you are wrong on the T-80B+ series an T-90 series (same fire control system).
As for the suspension Vs stabilization, that is modeled in game already so an irrelevant point.

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Well, yeah, that is exactly the problem though. They were built to destroy slow targets that were unlikely to perform high G maneuvers to avoid missiles.

I would suspect that the only reason the Falcon actually got developed further along with the Sidewinder and Sparrow was that they didn’t get to a chance to deploy them in real combat until 1967.

I will admit, that the Falcon would be nice to have in the game, especially on the J35XS, as the swedish SARH Falcon has a proxy fuse. However, for the F-4C (or the potential F-4D) they wouldn’t provide anything the Sidewinder and Sparrow couldn’t do better.

The real reason I would like to see the Falcons be added is that they would open the door for a bunch of very interesting planes, like the Avro Arrow, the Voodoo and the Delta Dagger.

R-73s for MiG-29s

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Remove the 27ER and sure :P

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I’d be down but preferably if they added the MiG-29S (9-13S) that could carry R-77’s in addition to R-73/R-60M’s since it would have the maneuverability of the MiG-29 and not the weight of the MiG-29SMT brick. This would be at like BR 12.7.

If the MiG-29 in-game received the R-73, it would have to come up in BR to 12.3-12.7 (which I wouldn’t be too opposed to but it would be tough having to deal with all of the ARH missiles more frequenrly) since it would be more on par with the base Su-27S’s capabilities but to a lesser extent.

This would be my changes to the armaments of 4th gen fighters-
MiG-29s all but SMT: remove R-27ER (not used by any of the MiG-29s except the SMT and 9.13, but the 9.13 would benefit from being the same as the rest of the 29s), add R-73/E, to 13.0.
F-16A (US/FR), Netz: add AIM-9M, also to 13.0
F-16A ADF (US): add AIM-9M, to 13.3
F-16A ADF (IT), F-16A MLU: add AIM-9L(I)/AIM-9M, AIM-120B, to 13.7
The AJ can be given AIM-9M (never used by Japan) and moved to 13.3 or stay where it is, it’s a theoretical aircraft after all
Yak-141: add R-73, R-77, to 13.3

Potentially:
F-14A (remove “early”?)- add AIM-9L, to 12.7/13.0
F-14B- add AIM-9M, to 13.0/13.3
Above would “nerf” the busted AIM-54s while keeping the F-14s effective, whether they go up by .3 or .7 is up for debate

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the most evil british player (me) about to make the most evil, despicable suggestion this thread has ever seen.

ASRAAMS for the tornado f.3

All fun and games until…
IRIS-T for the F-4F