What advantage does the SU-30SM2 have over the Rafale?

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Missile count is far from worthless. You also have the best radar in-game by a long margin.

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The radar doesn’t help the R-77s though, that’s the issue. The seekers of every ARH missiles are just too trash compared to mica

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And where did I say R-77 is the only missile suffering from this? Are you incapable of correctly reading and understanding? The topic is simply about Su-30 and rafale, so the focus is on R-77.

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i have bad news buddy

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eh, I would argue CAPTOR E is better due to the scan area, but Su-30SM2’s is def 2nd best

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You can spam 5 R-77s at a rafale from different angles and it won’t matter

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the MICA seeker improvement is marginal, not to mention datalink is a thing

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Datalink doesn’t do much during active phase

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it does.

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I can maintain a lock all I want, even hard lock, and R-77 won’t hit a rafale

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hard lock is worse for dl anyways

and if it misses, just shoot another
you have 12 of them

R-27ER is also ridiculously powerful

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The Su-30SM2 has more missiles, more range, and a better radar in exchange for worse missiles, flight performance, RWR (I think), and fewer CMs.

I think both should be the same BR, and that BR is 15.0 or higher.

It absolutely does,

but his is also true.

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in a 1v1 yes it wont really matter, in a arb match it does

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barely worse.
If it wasn’t for the seeker 77-1 would be superior to MICA
easily

rn they’re almost tied

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Bold words from someone saying missile count doesnt matter, and that MICAs beat R-77-1 at range, and that datalink doesnt help ARHs.

But i digress.

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You mean scan presets? Because the SM2 radar has a much larger FOV

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yeah, vertical scan specifically.
but they’re both incredibly cracked radars so it doesn’t matter too much tbh

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What’s funny is, the R-27ER has the most busted seeker when it comes to fox-1s, the seeker is more resistant and busted than even any fox-3s including MICA, and this is on a missile with better kinematics than most fox-3s and this isn’t looking at the relock capability it has. I’m actually curious what sources Gaijin has to model the R-27ER’s seekers as being the most busted as it is, when it also isn’t even supposed to have a relock capability either according to a bug report.

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Correct

Sm2 is ±30 in elevation, against spherical on the rafale.

Might be subject to change though.

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Youre missing the point. I said R-77 is worse because of seeker, so themica is harder to notch. I know R-77-1 has a longer kinetic range.