To be fair, Sweden does actually have a wealth of military vehicles to draw upon, enough so that you can have a reasonably fleshed out TT even if its on the smaller side. Spain, from my (admittedly cursory research) doesn’t have anywhere near enough vehicles for a properly fleshed out tech tree. Its got enough for a couple ground premiums and maybe a naval subtree.
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They’d be fair on basically all fronts.
In aviation they’d have a decent amount of modifications of aircraft as well as a few local airframes, including a jet trainer with armament.
For ground they have several domestic options, but also heavily modified foreign vehicles.
For naval I think it speaks for itself.
Only helicopters is slightly lacking, but with how little heli producers there actually are I think that’s forgiveable.
Spain do the the first amphibious landing in history involving the use of tanks and massive seaborne air support. Basically the first successful combined operation of the 20th century.
Spanish army with germany Luftwaffe and Fascist Italian air force do the first long range combat airlift in the history.
The first troops enter in Paris were spanish.
Spain military history is gigantic, with things like the older Marine infanty corps in the world, the first army in defeat Napoleon army in open field battle, and proably the only country with captured war flags from UK, France, Soviet Union or USA in his museums.
I dont know where are you from but you should stop learning history using only English, Frenchs or Ducht sources.
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…but not in the context of wt.
As long as in theory a tree or sub-tree in wt is based on:
- Significant participation in combats in WW 2 or after
- Significant output of domestic military hardware in the same times
- Significant demand for domestic hardware able to close gaps of other trees or to present major technical milestones - or just to earn money
I see outside some battles with BR 0.7 to 1.3 planes to represent the civil war upfront WW 2 no real place in wt - at least in a short term view…
Example of an (in)famous domestic aircraft
And i actually hope that i won’t see such a thing in wt:
…as it hurts my eyes to see an upright V 12 in an airframe designed for an inverted V 12. Seeing this crime vs good taste in the BoB movie is a similar affront towards aircraft enthusiasts like the (in)famous head-on scene of a P-51 vs a 262 in Red Tails.
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My comment is not related to WT.
The buchon is a nice plane a passed to devs in 2018.
Sorry but looks like just you have a horrible taste.
Like Sweden right???
Dude China and Israel ar full of copys. And they are ingame not for his players abse just because for Gaijin is more easy cntrol c +cntrol V.
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But my reply is :-)
The fact that it is not implemented just proves that having a “horrible taste” is not really a drawback :-)
You are referring to a list with 3 points - which are clearly “OR” and not “AND” conditions. I fully agree that Sweden (without Finnland) should not flood WW 2 lobbies with post WW 2 stuff, but unfortunately wt works this way.
I agree to a certain degree - but seeing China as a large market it is logical that they received a tree. Israel has at least some famous domestic products, so it looks comprehensible too.
I fully agree that it is extremely annoying to see lobbies robbed of historical relevance, but i acknowledge also the need of gaijin to create income.
Hombre - relax…
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Eh… Still disagree. For naval, they only have a single BB class that was obsolete before completion in 1909. If we expand to paper projects and cancelled ships, we get a variant of the littorio, and an extra dreadnought. Admittedly this is still a lot better then China and Israel, but they at least have a wealth of military vehicles in other trees to justify their existence. For ground and air, I really don’t see the appeal of a bunch of (effectively speaking) copy paste vehicles that don’t really have much of a difference from the base models. That’s not to say they have nothing, but I don’t feel its enough to warrant being their own TT. I feel it would be better to make them a subtree of Italy, as that way you don’t have to split resources for another minor TT.
I dont care :-)
Dont prove nothing, there are tons of vehicles waited by the community long time ago and gaijin dont added yer because his priority is more and more russians MBTs.
Spain have more WW2 tanks included indigenous desing for create a proper rank 1 and 2 meanwhile Israel is ingame with not rank 1 and 2 or like you said Sweden is mainly using postwar desing.
Estoy mas relajado que en brazos.
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likewise!
Imho you gave the answer almost correct: They earn money with top tier stuff and have no interest in adding post-war or non WW 2 - combat stuff if there is no significant demand for another top tier line-up with c+p vehicles.
This game has thousands of vehicles - and most of them are just hangar queens as they are not performing or are placed at entry ranks where nobody plays them…
Hombre:
Im always in the position that an Iberian subtree would be more than apt to be put into the Italian tree. Why Gaijin chose Hungary as the Italian subtree is bonkers to me to this day.
Easy, most of his vehicle are copy/paste.
Spain doesn’t really have enough vehicles for a complete tree, as far as I know. However, it could make a great German subtree, after the Argentine one soon tm. Of course, Spain and Germany were close allies during WWII and Spain primarily operated German vehicles during that time, both in air and ground. Post-war, Spain used primarily American kit like half the world, but currently operate primarily the Leopard 2A4 and Leopard 2E. I wish Gaijin hadn’t skipped the 2E in favour of a nerfed 2A7. In terms of air, Germany and Spain haven’t shared equipment mainly because there aren’t a lot of German aircraft as successful in the export market as the Leopards. However, Spain is a primary partner on the Typhoon which Germany is one of the main developers of.
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Would it be interesting to see the Harrier go to another nation, yes, but in an overarching totality of a Spanish tree, there isn’t enough technology.
Id say that Iberia as a whole just have enough to form a complete subtree and thematically, would continue the theme of soft but mobile Italian vehicles in its TT. It even uses modern Italian armored vehicles (like the Centauro) to this day. It would feel like that theres not a whole lot but if you look at the old forums discussion on an independent Iberian tree, it has enough unique vehicles on it. So many prototypes and drawings though so youll have to sift through that as well but Id say they pretty much have enough.
Its just going to be funny thinking though that if it did happen, I can definitely see somebody suggest the M10 Booker to be on the Iberian subtree as well since its based on the GDLS ASCOD II Griffin AFV.
an american company, the booker was likely developed in the us, not by GDELS, it has no business in the Spanish tree.
Spain isn’t a race…
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No they should not. Italy has already seen the addition of hungary, wich did not help the techtree. In fact by adding those vehicles, not only they lost every logic, since soviet vehicles in an all NATO techtree has no point; they also basically signed the give up document on adding italian actual domestic designs (go take a walk on the italian suggestions), they added hungary to make Hungarians happy and “helping italy”, wich did not help it at all, as all the domestic designs, that would make the techtree great, are now really likely gonna be ignored…
Same would be with spain…
Also if you do take a walk on the suggestion forum for italy keep in mind that there are a lot of vehicles even yet to be suggested…
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Spanish is better in my opinion
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List of spanish (land) vehicles to be added:
Leo2e
Pizarro fase I and II
BMR
VAMTAC
VEC M1
VEC H-90
VEC early
M-41 ETUA “cazador”
M-41 E MEPHISTO
M-41 E HAKO
EINSA “FALCATA”
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