While I understand what you’re saying, I don’t quite get how it applies to the point I’m making.
My point was that all these nations could function separately from any other nations already present in game, thus eliminating the issues that arise when discussing them as sub-trees.
The point was aimed at the allocation of nations in the MM at different point of times - so even if certain nations would have “complete” lineups - the majority has not.
So i fully support everybody which want to see his nation in the game, but i see the need (for a somehow comprehensible war game) putting them into correct alliances. And if the nation is too small - allow multinational line ups to avoid further fantasy vehicles created just for the sake of filling gaps…
Idk how much of a good idea this is but I think that Spain should be added as a proper Italian subtree. They can fill it out especially at the higher ranks where Spain would be able to provide the Hornets and Phantoms since Italy never used anything but the Starfighter lmao
Not to mention giving Italy a proper MBT at top tier (Leopard 2E) and also fleshing out the lineup with the myriad of modified Spanish vehicles like AMX-30E, M48A5E (several variants), and M47E. Could be pretty interesting and maybe make Italy feel like an actual playable nation at the high ranks.
And the Centuaro VRCC is already in the game so there is some precedence.
Yes,spainish vehicles should be a to Italy.
Some kind of neutral powers tree?
My take would be an Iberian tech tree, with 2 branches:
Spain: Not only with Spanish vehicles, but Argentine, Venezuelan, and basically any hispanoamerican vehicle.
Brazil: Plus a Portuguese sub-branch, in case they’ve got something interesting.
No.
No…? Literally zero domestic designs…
Would just make some spanish happy and nothing else.
And i am not just saying it because i believe that it’s not meant to be in WT, but i am also saying it because i am sure that GAIJIN is not willing to spend money on a short line subtree with some copy paste NATO vehicles…
man i hate to break it to you but the only one with some domestic designs is brazil, because of embrear, but they are not a lot either.
All the nations you listed have never even wanted to make their own vehicles…
ASCOD?
Verdeja?
HA-220?
CASA C.101?
VBL?
And we’re really going to ignore all of their fun modifications?
Life must be easy when you don’t research anything.
Er no it doesn’t, not unless we are having Galleons in Naval :)
Just for rank 7, they could get the f4c, the f1c/e/m, the f5a and mirage III, and maybe the regular ab8b, but i dont think that we will actually see them at least for a long while due to the Hungarian sub tree
To be fair, Sweden does actually have a wealth of military vehicles to draw upon, enough so that you can have a reasonably fleshed out TT even if its on the smaller side. Spain, from my (admittedly cursory research) doesn’t have anywhere near enough vehicles for a properly fleshed out tech tree. Its got enough for a couple ground premiums and maybe a naval subtree.
They’d be fair on basically all fronts.
In aviation they’d have a decent amount of modifications of aircraft as well as a few local airframes, including a jet trainer with armament.
For ground they have several domestic options, but also heavily modified foreign vehicles.
For naval I think it speaks for itself.
Only helicopters is slightly lacking, but with how little heli producers there actually are I think that’s forgiveable.
Spain do the the first amphibious landing in history involving the use of tanks and massive seaborne air support. Basically the first successful combined operation of the 20th century.
Spanish army with germany Luftwaffe and Fascist Italian air force do the first long range combat airlift in the history.
The first troops enter in Paris were spanish.
Spain military history is gigantic, with things like the older Marine infanty corps in the world, the first army in defeat Napoleon army in open field battle, and proably the only country with captured war flags from UK, France, Soviet Union or USA in his museums.
I dont know where are you from but you should stop learning history using only English, Frenchs or Ducht sources.
…but not in the context of wt.
As long as in theory a tree or sub-tree in wt is based on:
I see outside some battles with BR 0.7 to 1.3 planes to represent the civil war upfront WW 2 no real place in wt - at least in a short term view…
And i actually hope that i won’t see such a thing in wt:
…as it hurts my eyes to see an upright V 12 in an airframe designed for an inverted V 12. Seeing this crime vs good taste in the BoB movie is a similar affront towards aircraft enthusiasts like the (in)famous head-on scene of a P-51 vs a 262 in Red Tails.
My comment is not related to WT.
The buchon is a nice plane a passed to devs in 2018.
Sorry but looks like just you have a horrible taste.
Like Sweden right???
Dude China and Israel ar full of copys. And they are ingame not for his players abse just because for Gaijin is more easy cntrol c +cntrol V.
But my reply is :-)
The fact that it is not implemented just proves that having a “horrible taste” is not really a drawback :-)
You are referring to a list with 3 points - which are clearly “OR” and not “AND” conditions. I fully agree that Sweden (without Finnland) should not flood WW 2 lobbies with post WW 2 stuff, but unfortunately wt works this way.
I agree to a certain degree - but seeing China as a large market it is logical that they received a tree. Israel has at least some famous domestic products, so it looks comprehensible too.
I fully agree that it is extremely annoying to see lobbies robbed of historical relevance, but i acknowledge also the need of gaijin to create income.
Hombre - relax…
Eh… Still disagree. For naval, they only have a single BB class that was obsolete before completion in 1909. If we expand to paper projects and cancelled ships, we get a variant of the littorio, and an extra dreadnought. Admittedly this is still a lot better then China and Israel, but they at least have a wealth of military vehicles in other trees to justify their existence. For ground and air, I really don’t see the appeal of a bunch of (effectively speaking) copy paste vehicles that don’t really have much of a difference from the base models. That’s not to say they have nothing, but I don’t feel its enough to warrant being their own TT. I feel it would be better to make them a subtree of Italy, as that way you don’t have to split resources for another minor TT.
I dont care :-)
Dont prove nothing, there are tons of vehicles waited by the community long time ago and gaijin dont added yer because his priority is more and more russians MBTs.
Spain have more WW2 tanks included indigenous desing for create a proper rank 1 and 2 meanwhile Israel is ingame with not rank 1 and 2 or like you said Sweden is mainly using postwar desing.
Estoy mas relajado que en brazos.