What about spain?

Machinery of War Discussion Nations not present in WT
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Wow , this seems quite Racist in my opinion . Ts ts ts

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Okay,you do not hate Spain

That is why the adition of Spain whould be a good new;having Spain as independent nation will have lots of gaps but that is why a sub-tech-tree will be fine.

UFFFF.Please search on google or read a book.Spain has been involucrated on at least 5 wars on 20th century.

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I like Spain as a country and the people. My complaint is that War Thunder has already failed to implement the many nations it has included and made the game worse by introducing so many nations not better.

Every country understandably wants its own tech tree. I don’t think that is good for the game.

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That is fine.

From my point of view the more variety the better.

That is your opinion but other people have a diferent point of view.

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OK, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am by no means offended by your opinion being different to mine, but I just don’t see 30 different types of tanks on a battlefield having anything to do with the military and uniformity. Not in a game that boasts realism as a selling point.

Personally, I would love a spin off War Thunder WW2 with just those nations and vehicles that fought. That would be my dream, a million miles away from yours no doubt.

It is by no means just my opinion it is the opinion of many and you can see that many others have said the same over the years. Many see the glory days of WT being when there was only 3 nations.

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Whole convo could be closed with 2 arguments:

  1. Spain has next to no indigenous designs - boring
  2. Playerbase is not big enough to cater to right now(like with China)

Spain could be a subtree, but can’t see it as it’s own, sorry.

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So then get a sub-tech tree!
But for whom?
Also Spain has lots of very nice decals.
The decals could be added more easily.

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I think there are nations with bigger playerbase like Poland or Turkey(at least according to https://playercounter.com/war-thunder/) which don’t have trees or subtrees yet that would be on higher priority.

But sure, eventually Spain as well

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Absolutely agree that Spain would be a good addition to the game, but I do think certain other nations should come before it

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Like Turkey or Poland.No?
The adition of spanish decals should be added since there are at least two in game.

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I’d say Czechoslovakia, Poland and Yugoslavia are all contenders for full trees that could come before Spain while the Koreas and Turkey are Israeli styled who I’d say could come before

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Spain would most likely got to italy or france if it were to become a sub tree

Spain was also probably the more preffered sub tree choice for italy if you ask most italian mains since they actually had relations even after WW2

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Brazil would’ve been a far superior sub-tree for Italy than Hungary, Spain, Romania or any other country one might think of adding to them

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As spaniard i have to say: with France no please.

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And there you have the biggest issue with sub trees. Politics and history.

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Yes!
And Spain only bougth the AMX-30 and Mirage F1.Spain have more german and native armament.

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Imho you presented with these nations exactly the reason why wt needs a rework.

There is nothing wrong with trees and sub-trees - it is a matter of allocation of these nations to historical and political facts and timelines. And to change them at the right point of time; otherwise nations are just randomly allocated to historical or current allies or playing vs historical or current allies.

So instead of trying to fill line up gaps with subtrees it would make much more sense to allow multi nation line ups which were somewhere near reality.

I see countries like Spain with imho a minor contribution to WW2 (Blue squadron, Escuadrilla Azul) rather on a waiting list, but for countries like Poland things are complicated - invaded by Germany and the USSR, occupied and later joining the USSR, then Warsaw Pact member and them Nato member. And even more complicated if you look at France or Italy in WW 2 - fighting for both sides at the same time.

And this list goes on and on…so if your play wt as a war game these fantasy allocations within the MM are killing any connection to reality.

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While I understand what you’re saying, I don’t quite get how it applies to the point I’m making.

My point was that all these nations could function separately from any other nations already present in game, thus eliminating the issues that arise when discussing them as sub-trees.

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The point was aimed at the allocation of nations in the MM at different point of times - so even if certain nations would have “complete” lineups - the majority has not.

So i fully support everybody which want to see his nation in the game, but i see the need (for a somehow comprehensible war game) putting them into correct alliances. And if the nation is too small - allow multinational line ups to avoid further fantasy vehicles created just for the sake of filling gaps…

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Idk how much of a good idea this is but I think that Spain should be added as a proper Italian subtree. They can fill it out especially at the higher ranks where Spain would be able to provide the Hornets and Phantoms since Italy never used anything but the Starfighter lmao
Not to mention giving Italy a proper MBT at top tier (Leopard 2E) and also fleshing out the lineup with the myriad of modified Spanish vehicles like AMX-30E, M48A5E (several variants), and M47E. Could be pretty interesting and maybe make Italy feel like an actual playable nation at the high ranks.
And the Centuaro VRCC is already in the game so there is some precedence.