We are at a point where Ground needs to decompress to 13.0

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With the addition of new SPAA and the current High-Tier MBT BR crunch, it’s time to introduce another maximum BR and make way for new MBT.

The first example of this situation can be found with the Leopard 2 series. All Leopard 2s past the 2A5 are identical in BR despite a large gap existing between the capabilities of the 2A5 and the 2A7V. Even the Leopard 2A6 is noticeably inferior to the 2A7V in combat due to the lack of additional armor plates, worse thermals, and lack of hull spall liners.

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The second example is the new SPAA. While some are arguably too weak to even be at 12.0, such as the Chinese CS/SA5, the SPYDER (currently), and possibly the Elde, other SPAA, such as the SLAAMRAAM and IRIS-T SLM are eclipsing SPAA not too far from their BR.

I should emphasize that I am not looking to nerf the current SPAA, and in turn, with this proposed Ground BR change, top-tier CAS should also jump an entire BR higher. To specify what I mean, the Eurofighter Typhoon currently sits at 13.0 in Ground RB, and in my proposed BR jump, it would become BR 14.0 to keep the SPAA balance while also allowing CAS aircraft like the A-10C, which sits at the same ground BR as the F-15A and AV-8B Plus to breathe.

My third reason for wanting this BR increase is that it allows new additions to fit where they currently wouldn’t. As it stands, there isn’t a place that would fit the M1A2 SEP V3, Merkava Mk.4M Barak, T-14 Armata, STRV 123, later variants of the T-90M, and other such tanks that aren’t particularly far away from our current game state. Our current MBT set could finally receive historical buffs without breaking the game as well. There are countless bug reports about armor being lower in effectiveness than in reality, especially for Minor Nation MBTs, which struggle to withstand hits at all.

TLDR: Raising the BR cap fixes MBT having identical BRs despite large differences in capabilities, opens the way for new MBT, Light Tanks, and Tank destroyers to fill, fixes SPAA compression, and allows for current MBT to be historically buffed.

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Agreed. There is too much, in too little of a spread

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We have been at that point for a while, 2a7 and 122 have no equal and nothing should have been the same BR as them. Pantsir is much better than just .3 br above the rest tws bugs aside.

Now it is just egregious

Different in CAS/CAP between 11.0 and 13.0 is also hyper compressed now.

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Possibly the Elde? Lol its arguably the weakest spaa, unlike the SLM which pulls 360° shots the SLS misses 90% of targets and cant hit anything at range while having only 4 missiles then you need to use your ammo box for another 4. Its hilarious you’d even say possibly. The SA5 is pretty bad but its kinda sad to not even know anything about the worst SPAA of the bunch. A slightly better Type 81 is no surprise not even slightly close to on par performance. Realistically we need a majority of spaa to have a correct BR. The Type 81 shpuld be 11.0 or 11.3 and the spyder and others should be 11.7 Elde could be the same br as the Type 81 or .3 higher if you think having less missiles is worthy replacement for having a radar.

Id say 13.0 is a nice idea but 14.0 is the type of gap we are at as the SLM is the pantsir of the new update with the majority of spaa being Roland 1 equivalents.

Overall id say you have a solid idea, im only missing the SLM and the Spyder and im halfway through finishing the SLAMRAAM and the Tan sam kai.

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I don’t have it and haven’t seen anything about it. I just know it’s worse than the German one. I also do not know if the Tam-Sam Kai is good.

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Tan sam is a slightly better Type 81, id say more in line with Spyder. Elde, is a 8 missile only (with ammo box) version of the Type 81 with slightly better missiles and a Gimped radar. The reason you haven’t seen anything is because everyone knew it would be the most worthless addition this patch. I could list the numerous problems with it or we could just talk about how much of a gap spaa have between each other but its all irrelevant as the Elde fails to be even better than the Ito which is also at 12.0 it was a worthless addition that will be used for gaijin to ignore giving spaa to China and sweden under the argument that they already got something this patch.

Give it like 2 weeks once everyone has done a video on the good vehicles this patch the SA5 and Elde will have some videos by then now whether they’ll be of good quality is a whole other discussion.

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SLAMRAAM is mid, 120C7 will miss most of the time and its only good against drones and helis

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The AIM-9X regularly smacks everything. I’ve seen some crazy shit from that missile already.

It’s also very fast and small, which helps keep it away from aircraft seekers.

Regardless, it’s significantly better than the ADATS.

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agreed having 4 leopards at the same br of very different ability at the same br of 12.0 shows that atleast 13.0 is needed would prefer it going to 14.0 atleast like planes now

increasing the br spread could also make it more viable to give certain vehicles new stuff like giving later leclerc variants a better round

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Those 4 Leopard 2s are indeed equals to each other.
The 2A7V’s marginal differences in hull performance is not enough of a change.

For example, T-80BVM gets notably worse armor than T-80U, but is 0.3 BR higher than T-80U due to the ammo and turret traverse.
Ammo and turret mobility matters more than armor.