“British tank ammo was useless if you compare it to more modern stuff.”
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Not sure your point. This is how all guns work. Replace old with something better.
Exactly, I mean, they are still using almost the exact same ammo types, idk why, but I just guess you don’t get what I’m trying to say.
They are using better and better ammo. Everyone else is the same. Everyone else only caught on after ww2 Brits were ahead of their time transitioning to solid munitions.
I think the OP was the one who asked the question relating WT to real life in WW2.
My answer is simple and generic really.
There are some great videos of them firing tank solid shot at various things including soft skin pick up trucks. Have a look at those and then decide whether you feel Gaijin represent the shot damage correctly maybe.
It has to be taken note that the huge amount of variables involved including the quality of the tanks amour as the war progressed especially for Germany late war and Russia across the board. In reality as others said, it’s a matter of if the post pen explosive even ignited. Some times the toxic gases or smoke given off were enough to make real human crews bail as was shock and crew panic. Not an issue in game.
Anti-tank guns require HE shells to effectively engage them, not APHE. APHE would not only not fuse on most AT gun shields, the resulting cone burst of shrapnel would achieve little more than solid shot would. That’s what the results of the British trials proved.
More to the point, terrible early HE shells was not a complaint unique to the British. Early war anti tank guns on all sides had lacking HE shells due to the very small shell sizes and high shell velocities. You just cannot pack much HE into a 37/40mm shell. That’s why, when the Germans invaded France, it was the Panzer III that was intended on dealing with enemy armor with it’s small, high velocity gun, and the Panzer IV was tasked with enemy fortifications and anti-tank guns, due to it’s low velocity but high caliber gun, perfect for HE shells.
You could see this again later for both the British and American preference of the 75mm M3 over the 6 pounder and 76mm M1 respectively. The 75mm M3 was a lower velocity gun, meaning the round was subjected to less force when leaving the barrel, meaning you could pack more HE into the shell without risking premature detonation. Given that the target tanks most often end up engaging in infantry (Specifically infantry in cover/fortifications), a better HE shell was often more useful than a better AP round.
The Brits still killed Michael Whittman with solid shot though 😆…according to the Brits.
Not by aircraft rocket?
Canadian Sherbrookes according to this documentary, not sure if they used APHE?
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I started my journey a few weeks back and until now I’m pretty happy with those tanks. But the ammo really needs some more attention where you put your first shots. Always go for the enemy gunner and loader or ammo racks first. And it is a pleasure to see how the enemies are getting mad when you are in a Churchill. This tank really deserved the name.
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Michael Wittmann: How the Legendary Panzer Ace Died in World War II (warfarehistorynetwork.com)
No Firefly AP according to the British. The Canadians beg to differ.
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While it could have been someone else, postwar research and the consistency of the Northamptonshire Yeomanry’s war diary when it is compared to what is known from the German side make a convincing case that Wittmann met his death at their hands. German accounts denote only one Tiger, Number 007, had its turret blown off when it was destroyed that day.
Guess I shouldn’t be surprised the Canadian historian found irrefutably that the Canadians had destroyed him haha. Similar to the US bomber gunners claiming more downed aircraft than the luftwaffe had.
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That made me laugh. I think everybody was up to that trick. Propaganda was the greatest weapon of WW2 for sure. Not surprising the truth is buried so deeply sometimes.
Caused quite a bit of friction between the Brits and US, according to Pierre Clostermann in his memoirs. Was good for US morale to hand out confirmed/probable kills to everyone, whereas the brits tried to insist on using accurate numbers for internal reporting.
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Very true with everybody trying to do the best for their own.
A bit off topic but I am reading a book about the Einsatzgruppen and how the overstated figures they made up for executions were later used to hang them during the Nuremberg trials.
You have to be careful lol.
The most likely thing is that it would be a firefly, since it is the one that would have the best chance against a tiger, since the 75mm Shermans would have problems with the tiger even from the side.
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Yeah, makes sense.
I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make. Was it the most insane shell ever, no, did it get the job done in 50% times out of all with multiple shots, yes. I’m not saying that is was a useless shell, I’m just saying it takes a bit more skill to use because of the “minimal spall” even though, like someone said, APHE doesn’t always fuse, but in game it’s not modeled realistically. It’s a very delicate balance the game doesn’t quiet have the ability to do.
Lighten up bro
If APHE doesn’t have a chance of failing to fuse, APDS shouldn’t have shell shatter. If HE can overpressure, HESH should also. But this is brits, who have been bottom teir for AGES now.
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