if first shot fails, you know what tank it is to then shoot gunners sight
Dudes gotta pull up KD to save his argument…
That’s the thing. You are more likely to have the first shot failing with a person using bushes to the best of their ability than if they didn’t have bushes at all. That’s pay to win from what I can tell.
What else are you suppose to do when the only thing he has to say is ‘skill issue’?
He did not even want to address the points that I had made.
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I’m just saying, it’s an advantage.
Just like certain sound mods,
And certain sight mods.
It’s not technically cheating which I think is bs, as those of us whom play on console often get shafted.
Then there is the actual cheaters.
But whatever the method. Not being spotted and being snipe’d through 20 bushes across a whole map IS GETTING OLD AF.
Combine that with 3 min matches, anything over 8.0 is just boring, annoying, stressful, and idiotic.
Gaijin needs to make the maps far larger to compensate for the advent of 1600m/s rounds etc.
Some sound mods that give an advantage are strictly prohibited and counts as cheating.
ULQ, however, does not count as cheating (funnily enough).
With the new anti cheat I’ve seen less, but over time it seems to be trickling back in.
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I don’t understand why people get so angry at the thought of spending a few bucks on a game they spend playing hundreds of hours for years and years.
So what if it costs 6€ to get a 6th and 7th crew slots (not 5th and 6th as OP wrongfully claims: 5th slot costs 50,000 SL)?
You can get Premium Account for 365 days for 40€. And, if even that hurts you too much, you can grind for 1-2 event vehicles and get it for free just by playing the game.
People can spend 80 bucks on AAA games they will play for 50 hours before getting tired and purchasing another 80 buck AAA game that’s a reharshal of the previous year’s 80 buck game, but it hurts too much to spend 6€ on War Thunder crew slots or 40€ a year on Premium account when they play this game for hundreds or even thousands of hours year after year.
And to make it EVEN WORSE, those of us who support our favourite game’s developement and maintenance by spending more than reasonable yearly amounts of money on it are often frowned upon and disregarded as “wallet warriors”. The game lives and is free to play thanks to us.
Look, I’m the first one to criticise P2W and predatory monetisation- but the claims that WT is “too expensive” or “P2W” are unfounded at the present time, in my opinion (it used to be much worse prior to 2023).
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Depends on how much you buy and how long you have played or will be playing for.
A 60$ premium that you will be using for 3-6 months or so is a reasonable purchase, for example - at least for me.
I think there are some things that you can consider P2W, and a lot of things P2P.
Bushes are a good example of P2W.
Just because something is ‘relatively cheap’ doesn’t mean it’s not P2W.
In general though, I wouldn’t say War Thunder is completetly P2W, but definitely P2P.
At least it’s not as egregious as with WOT (Gold Shells, for example).
But I definitely agree with your sentiment. In the end, War Thunder is an asset for Gaijin, which, in itself, is a business. If the profits stop coming, then there would be no War Thunder.
I just think they can do better in terms of their consumer practices.
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My F4U-4 with maxed crew:
Can do a full elevator deflection turn after a 720 km/h dive and flip around like it’s nothing.
My F4U-4 with a lvl 2/1.5 G/stamina crew:
Passes out making a 180 degree turn at 450 km/h and loses control of the plane.
This is especially egregious in sim where if you pass out, it’s possible you literally spin your plane to death.
I’ve managed to do that testing maxed expert crew vs noob crew in my P-51-D-5 - P-51-D-5 passed out as I was applying rudder to keep the tight turn coordinated. I lost conciousness and the stick eased up while I had a fairly heavy left rudder. Plane entered a skid+accelerated stall. Death followed.
My maxed crew did not pass out doing the same maneuver with some leeway as I cannot replicate things perfectly beyond “reach X speed at Y altitude, pull back this much while keeping turn coordinated.”
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People don’t usually pull your KDR out of nowhere unless you make ridiculous claims or condescending replies such as skill issues lol if you have negative kdr which means your experience might not be the best hence the bad takes and more experienced players will see it as gaslighting.
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Freeloaders always being the most disrespectful bunch, you wouldn’t see some premium players start making threads and belittling non-spenders lol
There is a reason why rich folks don’t hang around with poor people who have nothing to offer to the world.
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Well that is definitely a statement, jesus christ.
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I do think they make some legitimate points - (Mainly aced crews and bushes), but i agree that on the whole WT is actually fairly good about this.
Though I must say - given the fact that paying already speeds up progression by a massive amount, and some of the premium vehicles go for prices that are quite frankly obscene (JA37Di*, anyone?*), I think they could serve to cut down on a few of em. In all honesty, making changes to speed up the progression for all players would likely be fine as well - yeah, you could then actually grind through a tree F2P, but premium players would get that same bonus - and it would be more realistic for someone to grind more then one tree.
Full disclaimer though:
I personally have bought very little - two premium vehicles, and thats it, running me about ~$20 USD.
*plus the marketplace vehicles, like jesus christ have you seen those prices?
The funny thing is the players themselves who set the price? irony how players complaining about ridiculous high price of premium items, then when they get the chance to call the shot: “I’ll sell this $2000 haha it’s called Supply and Demand bro!”
See the hypocrisy?
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Another fun aspect of ace crews:
You don’t gain any RP progress towards an ace crew until you buy Expert Qualification.
This is my F8U-2.
It has 200 ARB games, 9 ASB game.
200 5 minute, 9 90 minute games it gained zero RP progress towards the
Why?
capped 15 minutes.
This is my best paying plane and new planes also cost easily a million (700K for F8E, 210K to crew it)
Same extends to my F3H-2: No expert crew because it costs 450K.
Edit:
Went into a vertical “One-circle” fight with an XP-50 in my Bf109F-4 that has level 2 G/stamina:
Passed out doing a maneuver I’ve seen plenty of Bf109F4s do without an issue when I fight them.
A maneuver I also have zero issues doing in my P-51 that has maxed crew.
Cropping this thing down to 4MB was a pain.
Problem isn’t blacking out. If anything, WW2 pilots should black out more easily than in-game.
The problem is that one player performing the same maneuver in the same plane under the same conditions blacks out, while the other doesn’t even see a hint of vignette.
One person blacks out from a 7G maneuver, the other can sustain 7G indefinitely without G suit or anything.
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So is having a better PC, or better ping. ULQ is absolutely necessary for low-end stuff, especially stuff without a graphics card, and sound/sight mods are generally fine, with only a small minority of players abusing them.
As for console… to be honest, y’all are always going to get shafted. Consoles are inherently less… open then PCs, and until that changes, you are going to be at a deficit. I really dont think this is something that should mean sound mods should be banned - its just an inherent, unfortunate disadvantage of consoles, similar to how PCs also have far more keys.
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I am well aware, though it is also somewhat on gaijn for providing so little of the product.
I dont care a lot about the marketplace though, I just wish gaiin would let us obtain old event vehicles.
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