I’m hesitant but also fine with this in a way. I know the devs said there wouldn’t be an effect on FPS, but the only other game i’ve played that had Battleye added(GTA) had a pretty noticeable performance hit. I hope the devs managed to find a good solution to that
How is this fair, eh? It isnt WT’s buisness whether I cheat in entirely unrelated games, and enough people have had issues that I very much doubt it is only this.
An anticheat should concern itself with cheating in the game its in, and nothing else. To be frank, I dont like kernel-level anticheats in general (I rarely play with EAC on at the moment), but EAC was at least benign enough it could be ignored.
Battleeye is not. From the wealth of data and their own FAQ, it is significantly more invasive (Quite literally blocking some hardware-related software), has had exploits that banned innocent players, sends copies of your files to its servers, and the fact that it has a global ban list - something that is not within Gaijn’s power to change. It is bad enough that it is quite literally on the Microsoft recommend block list for drivers.
This isnt a simple matter of ‘oh, they are getting a better anticheat’, this is a matter of genuine privacy and security.
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You do realise EAC does the exact same thing or do you not do any basic research on this at all?
Both do system file scanning, so both rely on scanning either the game files OR partial system directory where sometimes cheats like to hide themselves and obfuscate themselves from detection.
BE doesnt block software unless its literally got a conflict (which I’de love to know what software we are talking about here) said exploit was only happening in EFT (escape from tarkov) and ironically with how BE handles requests, you couldnt use this exploit anyway because the moment you make a false ban request for someone, there system would still check it against heuristic data to double check the ban is legit. And this loophole has already been closed anyway.
Funny you lot love to chuck the MS block list around not realising what and why that exists and clearly non of you bothered to read it to understand it or bothered to even go to BEs FAQ page which states the following
"While we are working on finding a solution and are also in contact with Microsoft regarding this issue, unfortunately there is no easy or immediate fix for it.
Update: Recently we have fixed this incompatibility, however, currently the latest Windows 11 is still blocking any version of our driver whenever this feature is enabled. We are currently waiting for Microsoft to release a Windows update to unblock the latest versions of our driver to solve this."
But yeah keep spouting lies when you dont do the basic of researching.
Again what are you comparing this too? do you not understand EAC is doing literally what BE does… both anti cheats are kernal level so both are accessing and having access to the same rights on the system, both are still collecting the same set of data and cross checking this with heuristic patterns and machine learning data, this isnt news unless your just unaware of how anticheat functions nowadays
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Are there even any entry level cheaters left in this game after the banwaves? I suspect the ones that still cheat use DMA cards and battle eye will not do anything to them regardless.
If the implementation already happened, I have noticed 0 difference and no false positives and I have countless software that could possible interfere so I doubt any false bans happened
-Note: I probably had BEAC already installed from other games
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When starting my game with BattlEye enabled, my SpeedFan (or potentially other hardware-related) software stops working. Please fix it!
BattlEye is blocking certain software that is using kernel drivers which contain known security issues that can be exploited by cheats. We cannot support such software and therefore cannot provide a fix. Please ensure that you are using the latest version of such software or, if there is no newer version available, contact the developer/vendor of the software to notify them of the problem.
Literally on their FAQ BattlEye – The Anti-Cheat Gold Standard » FAQ
Valve Anti-cheat maybe? Warthunder is on steam after all. Doesn’t screw with your OS for one.
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From this thread, I would have never considered it otherwise.
So it makes me wonder what else I am not considering.
As I am not a cheater in games, I don’t think like a cheater. I don’t consider what I put on my computer that might get me flagged.
In life you dont know what you dont know.
I just dont want it to bite me in the ass.
We all know how rushed and incomplete WT updates always are. They don’t consider the consequences. And support is unlikely to be helpful in case of ban, especially if I do indeed have the ‘offending software’ on my computer…I am just trying to figure this out and protect my account.
read what I said again because its clear you didnt read anything and just blindly quoted… ill post it again so its better for you to understand:
Thanks for confirming what I already said but whatever. and ironically you didnt do any research on the “speedfan” app did you… ill explain it in simple words for you, that is literally a 9 year old program so expecting that to run when it doesnt even have “official” windows 10 support let alone windows 11 support and have “no compatibility” problems with other apps is literally user error on a big scale but ok.
Again if you can list me updated apps that conflict ill glad accept/refute that if its a program I use and/or have used in the past
Do you even know how VAC works? clearly not because if your even attempting this comparison :D
Quick little google search will take you to a few cheat sites that explain how VAC works in arguably better detail than steam tell you but ill post this here to re-educate you on anticheat.
If you want VAC then your literally asking for something more intrusive than even BE or EAC offer so +1 on that request and VAC can still have false positives that good luck trying to get steam to remove that because any VAC ban is also worldwide, meaning once your VAC banned, any game that uses VAC will have you autobanned even if you legit are a new player to it and havent cheated in it since
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I can tell you right now (with proof if you want it in DMs) I can show you my purchase history with logitech products and dates, ive used ghub since its introduction several years ago.
Ghub WILL NOT get you banned UNLESS your attempting to use macro scripts (which someone also mentioned further up)
If you using it like any normal program for key assingments (like iCUE or Steelseries GG) then you are fine, both programs I have installed btw and have used again for years. that I can show proof of.
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Why should a video game dictate what software can I and can I not have on my computer and running that are not related to the game in question?
And thank you very much, I have been using speedfan for monitoring for quite a few years now when using Windows. It works. It’s reliable.
The software I use for work is the 2016 release (plus local dev modifications by my team). It’s 9 years old. Is Gaussian16 to be shunned and scorned because it’s 9 years old? No
Computers are not stupid smart phones you toss in the trash every 2 years because the OS stops being compatible with applications.
VAC does not touch the operating system one bit.
There’s a reason these broken anti-cheats only work on Windows and not linux systems.
And looking at recent Microsoft communications, they will hopefully not work on Windows either hopefully sooner than later.
There’s this concept of minimum permission and “One software does exactly one thing, and does it well.” Kernel based anti-cheat violate both of those basic principles.
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Because such software can either be legit or fake in what they are attempting. If your using normal programs that normal ppl use then you are fine. I can show you a list of my installed programs if you want a baseline and ive used these for years across multiple installs across multiple BE/EAC equipped games with ZERO issues
And if you want something more up to date and has zero conflicts go on github and look for a program called “FanControl” JayzTwoCentz literally has a video convering this.
Your having conflicts because its literally an outdated product so expecting BE to somehow accommodate that is funny tbh. would you expect a dealership to accommodate a repair on a product that is outdated, no they would usually change to an updated product or tell you they cannot.
Except it actually does… or does the VAC steam page just not exist for you?
It clearly is expressing the fact they do in fact scan some part of your system for cheats, especially when they talk about dynamic link libraries (which if your unaware) are (.DLL)
Yeah the reason linux is often not supported is because linux allows for a heavily modified client with a lot of script/code heavy methods and trying to make an anticheat to support that would probs cost a lot of money when you have so many distros of linux available to download and install. stop trying to mention all this like you understand the subject because its clear you dont.
Says the guy running speedfan which is literally a kernal level access program :D do you seriously not understand what you are saying?
I should also mention this bit about VAC because if you want VAC then bye bye goes any game on steam using VAC because the ban is steam wide and ofc any future game that supports VAC too. so again if you get false banned and its never removed and you think “oh ill go play a game” that has VAC well that false ban carries with you to that game.
I cannot believe you think VAC is somehow better when its arguably worse in a lot of ways
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Scan, but not install any drivers or otherwise risk forcing you to reinstall your entire OS partition because they screwed with things they should not.
It could do with better differentiation, but it has no network access, won’t break your OS randomly, it won’t change unless you actively make an effort to change it.
If something like BattleEye breaks, it can end up at best forcing you to reboot your system using the power button as start menu and hotkeys for command line can just stop working. All because it crashed in the wrong way. At worst, force reinstalling your OS.
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where are you claiming such drivel? I literally have Destiny 2 installed, Siege installed, Arma 3 installed, Dazy installed. all of which USE BattleEye, if you have to reinstall or partition a drive then thats a bigger issue that isnt because of ANY anticheat.
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real or useing spotify or task manger or just having bad wifi
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Let’s see,
Crowdstrike as a whole?
Vanguard causing constant blue screens for people trying to play Valorant or LoL?
Vanguard forcing reboots because of a bug breaking ethernet connectivity?
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You do realise Vanguard is a custom anticheat… and literally has a VERY different install and setup to BE or EAC.
You are now comparing apples to oranges at this point
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It’s usually because Battleye was designed to tackle a lot of the tactics hackers tend to use. What a lot of people FAIL to understand is that for Hackers to get cheats made for Battle Eye they need to quite literally scrape the barrel and reverse engineer the entire functionality to the coding of Battle Eye so that their cheats bypass everything.
War Thunder Cheaters are nowhere near that level of experience because most of them lack the understanding and capabilities to do any of that at all. This is primarily because War Thunder never used an Anti-Cheat for over 7 years. EAC-> This took quite some time for Cheaters/hackers to figure out.
With Battle Eye, however, anything they have learned to combat EAC is completely worthless.
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it doesn’t have kernel level access though, unlike BEAC and EAC
Well said, good sir!
On that note, BE also adapts every few months, so if they do figure something it does not last.
its irrelevant when all 3 are functionally doing the SAME thing… they both have your account/IP/scan system files/game directory files. what each program does with that information is up for debate but not this debate.
But when you/people argue VAC is “somehow” better than BE or EAC but ignore the fact that IF you get falsely banned by VAC and in the worst case it is not reversed, thats a ban that carries across ALL STEAM titles that use VAC and is tied to your account forever onwards.
And VAC bans also prevent you from ever selling on the steam market place, so if you a legit player who gets falsely banned but the devs do not reverse the ban well RIP goes your account if you have money tied into the steam market for some games that utilise it.
Ide rather kernal level anticheat than an anticheat that HAS to be more robust on being legitimate bans otherwise it effectively renders your steam account worthless in a lot of areas.
Cheaters are not only working with a single game, they share their knowledge of common anticheats like EAC and BE across forums and collaborate and share their findings, the only thing that is not shared between games is the offsets and mechanics that need to be manipulated to cheat, how to break EAC and BE is shared knowledge at this point, how to exploit the game engine to cheat afterwards is not. It takes 5 minutes of internet searching to find out what you need to do to break either, its simply a larger barrier to entry than EAC, and not by much.
The average R6:Siege (BE) ranked match after battle eye updates would like to argue the opposite.
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