Volumetric makes it literally impossible for any round to pass through an M1A1 cheek. It has almost 1000mm of protection. Even point blank DM53 from an L55 can’t do it.
Oh ok. Guess I was dreaming. But the notoriously bugged game could never
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That’s not the turret front though, that’s the turret ring or gun mantlet. Gun mantlet is a weakspot for every toptier tank, turret ring is a weakspot for alot of tanks too.
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You can find replay server on Warthunder.com website, therefore you can send the link to anyone, which allow everyone to watch it.
No need of any Video capturing tool
More precise link to that tool Gaijin is giving to you:
https://warthunder.com/fr/tournament/replay/
(Not working with Smartphone)
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Well no,… but ok,…
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- Masochism is about punishing yourself, not others. You’re confusing masochism for sadism, which is harming others to bring pleasure for yourself.
If you’re going to try and use labels of a k!nk-shaming tactic, might I suggest you not try it with a former Abrams tanker who is also a romance author and reader and whose literal hashtag on TikTok is Men Love Romance Too? And specifically masochism and sadism both fall under k!nk of the ‘dark’ romance variety, usually dubcon or noncon, both of which are very illegal in most nations unless explicit consent is given.
Now that I’ve summarily read away your license to use such labels as a dismissing tactic, let’s say this:
- While I do not have a replay directly, if I find others who have had similar experiences, I will ask them to comment in this thread as well.
If more than 2 people state that they have had your ‘volumetric bullets’ go through the front mantle turret armor of the M1A1 HC/M1A1 AIMS/M1A2/M1A2 SEP/M1A2 SEPSv2, will that change your opinion?
Because I’m not blind or stupid. I’ve taken a few replay shots of rounds through my turret ring, that’s a fact, but I’ve also had rounds go through the front turret face and through my loader, into my ammo, and detonated the ammo.
I don’t like having my integrity questioned by someone who believes that only 800mm of armor is somehow ‘correct’ for a vehicle that has gone through over 6 different up-armorings in the past 40 years to keep up with changing warheads and rounds from possible enemy combatants due to their extreme firepower involved.
PS: Before you say something to the effect of “it’s 1000mm because of all armor involved”, I will say that 1,000mm of equivalent armor protection is the extreme minimum for the 1996 trials that involved the first M1A2, which did not include the second-generation DU package that was specifically developed for said chassis.
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Thank you for that resource, Bel.
While I am still waiting for the news on the DU inserts, I’ll play some in the U.S. top tier line and try to recreate the conditions. If it happens, I’ll share. But I’ll also ask others to chime in if they’ve had this happen.
Which makes no sense because the area closest to the gun should be programmed as some of the thickest areas, due to the shape of most turrets. But when I engage T80BVMs, interestingly, it often puts their breeches only to yellow, while theirs would knock out my breech entirely.
Yes. It is.
Dude please there was litteraly 0 effort in this bug report I’m glad it wasn’t accepted ! Not that I don’t want the Leo2A7V to be fixed but plz a one sentence bug report. Leclerc’s bug reports are litteraly tons of page with tens of proofs and are often not accepted! Just bring “proofs” and I hope it’ll work
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It should not. And it has nothing to do with turret shape. Take a look at the tanks’ internal armor in the armor viewer.
For real tanks, the gun mantlet of MBTs has less armor because having the same armor there as in the turret front would put heavy strain on the elevation mechanism and especially the stabilizer. Modern armor simply weighs too much. But the gun mantlets are alot smaller than on WW2 tanks, so getting hit there isn’t much of a concern, especially at the distances MBTs are supposed to fight.
For game balance, having that weakspot on every tank helps less powerful tanks deal with stronger ones. Your M1A1 sees a Leo2A6 hulldown? Shoot the gun mantlet. Your stock Leo2A6 only has DM33 and you see a T90M from the front? Shoot the gun mantlet.
Interestingly, I knocked out dozens of guns and gun mantlets on the first shot on T80BVMs and T90Ms yesterday and two days ago. With DM33 on a stock Strv122, Strv122 PLSS and Leo2A6 (and later on DM53 and m/95). So either your aim is slightly off, or you’re experiencing server desync issues where your shot lands not quite where you aimed, because the enemy tank or turret is in a slightly different position. That happens sometimes when your ping isn’t great.
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What a stupid thing to say
Are you seriously that brainwashed
Yeah it was months ago and i havent played in weeks. Not doing that because I dont have time to what, go through the hundreds of games I played to try and feel like I win?
To everyone else: And it literally wouldnt change peoples minds. I already know im not a liar, so whatever. You guys already have your narrative. If it happens again ill see if I can save it. But kind of like, fix your brain rot maybe?
I see reading comprehension isn’t a very strong skill of yours. I properly used masochistic. Why do you sound like someone’s wife?
It should not. And it has nothing to do with turret shape. Take a look at the tanks’ internal armor in the armor viewer.
For real tanks, the gun mantlet of MBTs has less armor because having the same armor there as in the turret front would put heavy strain on the elevation mechanism and especially the stabilizer. Modern armor simply weighs too much. But the gun mantlets are alot smaller than on WW2 tanks, so getting hit there isn’t much of a concern, especially at the distances MBTs are supposed to fight.
For game balance, having that weakspot on every tank helps less powerful tanks deal with stronger ones. Your M1A1 sees a Leo2A6 hulldown? Shoot the gun mantlet. Your stock Leo2A6 only has DM33 and you see a T90M from the front? Shoot the gun mantlet.
My apologies, I wasn’t clear in my writing with this. When I spoke of the area closest to the gun, I meant the turret cheek itself closest to the gun mantlet, not the mantlet itself.
I understand you did, but you were playing with Germany and Sweden.
I’d invite you to do the same in an M1A1 and then its successors with the M829, 829A1, and 829A2.
On the other hand, you are correct, it could be server desync (which is absolutely frustrating), or it could be my own aim (although how pieces of rubber around gun mantlets makes a DU round splinter or deflect in flight when physical evidence shows that in real life it’s best only against HEAT rounds is telling). However, the consistent times where M829A2 has overpenetrated from the side without spalling and without detonating ammunition, or without killing crew, should be something to be talked about.
Ditto the M829 or M829A1 being fired at point blank ranges against T72B3s, T80s, and somehow not damaging anything whatsoever.
Well yes, the turret cheek is the thickest part, but the other guy apparently got hit in the mantlet. I don’t buy that 3BM46 supposedly penned his turret cheek. It just doesn’t do that at any angle.
Like I said - I was doing my stock grind and shot with DM33 most of the time. M829 is equivalent to DM33 on the L/55, and better than DM33 on the L/44. M829A1 and M829A2 are vastly better.
if your shot is a non-pen, no matter if its aim or desync, you probably hit the cheek and not the mantlet, where we get into “best armor on a tanks’ front” again, not “pieces of rubber”.
that happens on every tank. also “overpenned from the side without detonating ammunition” doesn’t mean anything if you don’t hit the ammunition. depends entirely on the hit area. engine compartments will eat your spall from the side without it ever getting near any ammo.
since you don’t specify any hitzones again, hitting the UFP or turret cheek, which are both strong enough on T72B3s and T80U, won’t pen so it won’t do damage. doesn’t matter if it’s point blank.
Honestly whenever I see people complaining about russian sides, it’s roughly 90% aim issue, 5% server hickups, and 5% unlucky shots.
No I’m talking about shooting from the back rear at less than 20 meters through their side and only causing the turret ring to go orange.
Detracting from the conversation with repeated insults will not dissuade me, Beaver. If anything it underscores your entitled attitude that you can not be wrong, and also incorrectly identified that @Thug Shaker Actual was more concerned with going through pain himself in playing this game, which I don’t believe he is.
Also, I found the angle at which DM53 penetrates the turret cheeks of M1A1 HCs and above.
This will be the last time I message in return to you, though, because I get the distinct feeling that you aren’t up for an honest discourse without being a patronizing person. Godspeed to you.
What now, back/rear? side? and it sounds like you just hit a mostly empty zone. less than 20 meters isn’t great to accurately put a shot into the crew, you probably just fumbled a snapshot from the 3rd person cam.