I agreed with the first bit, so I left it out. I half only half disagreed with this. Giving the SEPv2 M829A3 might actually one of the few ways to balance it and set it apart from the 2A7V. See my earlier proposal:
Big portion of PVP players in a nutshell. You forgot blaming their team.
not to undermine your personal experience, but in my experience playing Sweden toptier (stock with DM33, mind you) since the patch dropped, I feel like playing against russians is alot more manageable than with them. Absolute worst case, I can pop a T80BVM or T90M by just getting his gun, then killing his driver twice through the lower plate, given I don’t just detonate the ammo or fuel the first time or get one or two crew members while shooting the breach.
But the way Russians play right now is just so terrible. Alot of them are blind or rush you thinking they’re invincible just to get their gun popped and send back to the respawn screen.
I’m curious, in which tank does that happen to you? In most non-Russian/Chinese tanks, ammo can be optimized to not be in the hull, if that is a regular problem for you. Plus Russian and Chinese darts are noticeably worse than DM53 and M829A2.
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How much better would M829A3 be? if it’s noticeably better than DM53 I think that would cause problems, same as DM73 (quick google search said ~800mm, that would be way, way too much for the game). You start hitting armor piercing benchmarks where something like a 2A7V would become noticeably worse if the US (as likely the most played nation) can just lolpen its hull again. M829A2 is already the 2nd best round ingame, iirc. Leo2’s beak armor already barely holds up against current darts, and I’m sure there are similar cases for other tanks that already have only few “hard spots” to begin with.
If there’s any tank I would give a better dart to, it’s the Arietes. They’re already worse in every regard compared to the M1A2, and consequently have even less going for them, so they could be made into glass cannons instead. Otherwise, M829A3 should only come to the game with DM73 and other equivalents.
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Honestly, I prefer Type 81 (C) over ANY SACLOS ingame, even Pantsir. The 35G fire-and-forget IRs are an absolute pleasure and not subject to the weakness of the SACLOS nerf.
In terms of CAS, I don’t know, since I don’t play planes in Ground Battles hahah
And in terms of lineups, as of now, I honestly prefer the 3x Type 10 + 2x Type 90 lineup over a 4x Leclerc one.
663mm at 0º and 10m, compared to DM53’s 652mm.
11 more mm of pen in exchange for literally 1/2 of the armor… I don’t think it would cause any problems xD
It would merely help it against the pre-BVM/M Russian tanks. Other than that, mostly the same as A2.
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Iirc forum user LorentzManifolds did a quick calculation which gave it 673 mm at 0° and 393 mm at 60°.
Iirc you are talking about DM73 penetration numbers. Although DM73 is only slightly worse.
didn’t they use a russian-speaking source for the F-15 lol?
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Fair enough. I do feel that the ItO is much better against helicopters, as they tend to stay >6km away, but true, against jets the Type 81 is better. I do hope that we get an SPAA SACLOS buff in the future though.
Mirage2Ks are really good, especially with the AS30Ls. and with the attacker variant you don’t have to go above 11.7. Japan only has a very ground-pound-gimped F16, basically, and no laser guided munitions
I do feel like the 4 Leclercs have it a bit better lineup wise, just because the TKX(P) and Type 90s only get JM33. To be fair, I still prefer the Japanese lineup too, but that’s more bc the Type 10 is my favourite modern tank (and I don’t like the French)
Wet storage hardly means anything to a direct hit from modern APFSDS too lol. Its not some magic solution, and it being “in low flash point diesel” is significantly worse, like it would be counter effective than even water lol
Okay, that sounds fair then. Tho idk if that’d be a priority with A2 already having 629mm, I don’t think it would make a big difference. The hull armor would be more important.
(I am also biased against the US, especially since they dominated ARB pretty much for a year and a half already)
Honestly when they fully fix the 2A7V that thing will still have such an armor and survivability advantage over the SEPv2 even with LFP armor (assuming that it doesn’t get a spall liner) that M829A3 might still be needed to make it somewhat balanced.
And 673mm 0° and 393mm at 0° wouldn’t be too overpowered assuming that the 2A7V, SEPv2 and 122B+ at least would move up to 12.0/12.3.
However, we still don’t know when gaijin will repair the A7V’s hull armor and maneuverability, it may be 1 year, or it may never
Germany and American mains are discussing LFP armor and 673mm shells.
Meanwhile France and Italy mains have to play their MBT like light tanks, the former with 575mm of pen …
The dissonance from one nation to another is appalling
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Italy may be able to make the Hungarian Leopard 2a7HU in the subline
Significantly?
DM73 is 663mm pen per Gaijins formula.
It’s not needed though because it doesn’t change anything
Italy has no better than the Ariete tbh.
Even AMV Pt 2 with PSO and WAR would just suck.
Only hope is 2A7HU
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It would also be nice if the hull armor could be repaired together
Would be nice if we could agree to fix MBTs of all nations to their real performance, or as close as possible.
Tribalistic arguments like “You can’t have X when we still don’t have Y” doesn’t help anybody.
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thats the point and that for all higher tiers.
As much as i can agree with that, i think it should be put a stop on some stuff like the ammo. US shouldn’t get M829A3 while there are tanks stuck with DM43 at 11.7 just like other nations with better rounds shouldn’t until there is “parity”, it makes no sense to powercreep the game more, atleast if we talk about rounds, im all down for Leo and Abrams getting their improved hull.