Is magic 2 good after the buff?
Yes, very… I had to use most of my CM’s by that point to dodge the others he had.
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RVV-MD2 appeared on KTRV website
https://ktrv.ru/production/voennaya_produktsiya/rakety_klassa_-vozdukh-vozdukh/raketa_rvv-md2.html
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about what was expected: still a dual band multi element psuedo imaging seeker like its predecessor tho likely improved processing and with the addition of an IGS and likely datalink for LOAL though more powerful motor leads to significant range increase it seems
Here are the different R-73 variant:
I’ve taken @_Fantom2451 post and tried to upgrade it with other info he didn’t mentionned or were present in the thread.
R-73 (Izdelie 72, R-73E, RMD-1) :Mass produced by Dux (Moscow Machine-building Plant “Kommunar”)
base R-73 variant
105kg
2.9m long
MK-80 seeker, ±45° lock angle before launch; ±75° lock angle after launch
30 km range
60G with TVC (while the motor burn)
40G without
R-73L (R-73EL) :Not produced
base R-73 with laser proxy fuze
Sold to PERU.
R-73M (RMD-2): Not produced (90’s missile no money)
106kg
2.92m long
MK-80M seeker ±60 lock angle before launch; ±75° lock angle after launch
40 km range
K-74ME (export R-73M (?)): Not produced
Only showed as a mockup on MAKS-97.
MK-80M seeker
R-74 (Izdelie 740) :Not produced
same as base R-73, produced by “Kurganpribor”
R-74M (Izdelie 750, RVV-MD) :Produced by DUX and Kurganpribor since 2015.
106kg
2.92m long
MK-80M seeker with improved IRCCM: dual band
±60 lock angle before launch; ±75° lock angle after launch
40 km range
R-74M2 (Izdelie 760, RVV-MD2) :To be produced by KTRV
117kg
3.1m long
±60 (±180 with DL) lock angle before launch
Unknow seeker with multi-element dual band
50 km range
IOG+DL
R-73 “Reverse”
Missile designed to be fired backward with an additional booster to cancel aircraft speed.
115kg
3.2m long.
12km range
MK-80M seeker
Spoiler
Could you link me to the report(s) on the R-73 underperforming please? i would like to see them.
Also i doubt gaijin will buff/fix it even though it is underperforming compared to IRL, because it is not American and reddit is not crying about it with 5600 upvotes. Gaijin likes to leave Russian stuff weaker on purpose so that there is no crying from the community. I hope i am proven wrong tho.
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the jump from AIM-9P to AIM-9L is huge as well. And Red players had to endure the garbage that is R-60M against the literally superior in every way 9L for a year. The only thing R-60M is better at is it starts maneuvering 0.15 seconds earlier than 9L , thats it.
The R-73 does things like this currently.
It is broken. It misses targets where it could have hit if it kept going straight.
And even when fired from close to 0* angles, the missile wobbles all the time causing a lot of loss of speed.
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Angry moth has issues when launched from high speed, compression turns it into a brick and you get marginally better range. Wouldn’t say the guidance delay is an advantage in this case except it can be used in dogfights… only to be flared.
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There are some internal iirc, can’t link those. Otherwise it’s overload should be 60G with TVC and has incorrect seeker range.
That is unusual.
The R-60M is truly garbage , I prefer the R-13M1, just wish it had an all aspect seeker , it is better than the R-60 especially in terms of range and speed
R-60M isn’t entirely useless … forces enemy to reduce throttle and flare from close range and rear aspect. Not particularly great and significantly worse than any other all aspect at the BRs.
What makes it so bad is the absolute lack of range , you can do orbital shots with 9L and 9G and Pythons, with R-60 you have to be very close if the target is fast.
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I think speed bleed of AIM-9L may not be accurate. Rollerons are high drag.
Is the time the 9L takes to start turning and the speed at which it reaches full maneuverability accurate? I swear they pull shots at close range sometimes that I wouldn’t trust an R-60 to do, and I was under the impression that they shouldn’t really be effective in a knife fight, and that point blank was between 600m to 1km even on relatively easy shots. Can they actually turn like they currently do in sub-1km shots?
The diagrams suggest it’s accurate but I think post-burn speed loss during maneuvers is not high enough.
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@Ziggy1989 discussion about the R-73 in relation to the AIM-9L/M… the R-73 was a step ahead of them and they admitted as much. That is why the newer short range IR missile programs were started for the most part. BB also forgot the Python 3 (also developed from Sidewinder) highly influenced Chinese missile design.
The R-73 per most sources has a range in excess of 30km depending on conditions, whereas the AIM-9L’s post-burn drag is rather high owing to the rolleron design. Other countries got rid of this and designed their own missiles but it was very few. One such design is the Magic, which has a rotatable tail piece around the body to avoid roll interference and instead relies on the canards solely for roll control. (R-73 relies on trim from the rudders at the rear, maintaining full pitch / yaw control from the canards).
Magic - roll control from canards.
AIM-9 - roll control from constantly spinning “rollerons” on tail.
R-73 - roll control from trim flaps on tail.
This is the primary difference between the three canard controlled missiles. To get ahead of the Russian missile every Western country chose to go with tail control designs utilizing body lift and otherwise more aerodynamic structure to improve range. In the case of AIM-9X they reused an older motor design, likely with improved propellant to extend range as much as 20%.
Derivatives of the AIM-9 evolved on their own as well to become their own unique design. Python 4 for example, which uses dedicated flaps only for roll control just behind the canards. There are 18 control surfaces to enhance maneuverability and a much more powerful motor to extend range.
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Because you choose from two, either a smoky and powerful engine or a lower power, but smokeless.
therefore, a slightly longer version was developed
As we know, the earlier discussion was on the original R-73 which had a range of approximately 30+ km. This is in head-on aspect of course and at higher altitudes / speeds.