VT-4 inappropriate BR

Yes, I saved those documents and they proved the penetration correct for 60 degrees. Beyond 60 degrees I may have missed those ones.


647mm penetration. 200 /cos 72.
The issue is perforation isn’t modeled well in War Thunder so… no rounds perforate near their limit.
653 at 74 degrees. 180 /cos 74.

And yeah, with the heavy armor of VT4, I’m going to enjoy it.

The Chinese grind is among the easiest in the game from my experience.

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should rename it to MCT, Main Crying Tank

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True XD

just block him or sth hes like that for a while
i did that a while ago and my life has been much better

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some of his takes are as shit as mine…
(sometimes your take is just shit thats all im saying)

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Nah, we are in a forum where everyone is free to talk, i do not dictate any rule here, he is free to argue

unwritten rule is just to ignore one person in this forum

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Also, let’s compare VT-4 to, say, ZTZ-99-III.

Thr ONE advantage it has is reverse speed. In every other way, ZTZ-99-III wipes the floor with VT-4.

Yet VT-4 is 0.7 and 2 full BR (A1) higher in BR.


At least VT-4 has correctly modelled turret ERA. VT-4A1 on the other hand has each entire cheek modelled as a single block. Hope they fix it now thst VT-4 has the correct array.

Thought it was classed as a light no? Or is the VT-5 the light tank? Pretty sure its the VT-5 im thinking of, so used to people talking about that over the VT4

VT-5 is the squadron light tank

VT-4 (and VT-4A1) is the MBT of china called also MBT-3000 which currently one is at 12.0 under the WZ1001 the 11.7 one is the one they added just now at 11.7 above the WZ1001

incorrect, type 90 has 18 shells in the ready rack. tkx(p) has only 14, the same as tkx & type 10.
also type 90 has better hp/t.

type 90s & tkx(p) never had any business being 11.3.
dm33 pens every weakspot still at 12.0 and shooting the enemy barrel/breach is a good option when you reload the fastest. they wont suffer even if they were raised to 12.0 br.

You are quite wrong. It takes about no skill for some 12.0 German main in his Leo2A7V with a load of armor, spall liners and tricky weakspots to kill Type 90 frontaly from any range at any angle at any place with DM53. Leo2A7 has slightly lower hp/t but it is massively compensated by armor profile, survivability and round that is second(?) best at the top tier.

The only really good part about Type 90 is reload speed. Imho devs should just give it its more real 3s reload rate to compensate what a brainrot pixelhunting at top tier is while having an armor of Leo2A4 and average mobility at the BR.

just because 7AV is arguably a better tank, type 90 should be lower in br? no.
they should raise op top tier tanks up.

lets spin it the other way, do you really believe type 90 is worse than the ariete AMV, which sits at 12.0?

Ariete is completely different subject. IRL it should have MUCH more armor than that of present in the game given it weights 54t, and there are also enough bug reports indicating these problems, yet they are often put away.

I already pointed out in this thread that the problem of top tier tanks is not their placement but compression. Type 90 can be 11.7 or even 12.0, but only if Leo2A6/7s and alikes move to 12.3/12.7. But moving tanks from 11.0/11.3 to 11.3/11.7 is dumb, to say the least, given how much compression such actions lead to.

The Ariete w/ WAR kit has greater chances of becoming 12.0 or 12.3 if we get decompression given how much less protection it provides for a 60t tank when you get Leo2A7HU with much better protection w/ 67t at the 12.0

id rather ruin the type 90 instead of ruining the whole br brackets of 10.3-10.7.
and the type 90 wont really even get ruined.

arietes are high br because they are “supposed” to be well armored?
no they are high br because it was put there to have top BR tanks in the italy tree.

Idk about 10.3/10.7 brackets, but as long as I have played, I was 8 out of 10 times paired with and against premium vehicles of 11.3/11.7 and 12.0. Even then, 10.3s can easily kill them Type 90s. I enjoyed killing Type 90 Fuji in my 10.3 ZTZ-96A (P) with Type 1985-I (Chinese 3BM42, common Soviet round from 9.7 and onwards) frontaly at practicaly any place because they have no idea how fragile the armor actually is.

Icl 12.0 Arietes could move to 11.7 in this economy, but you should ask devs why did they still uptier “unfinished” tank just for the sake of end-of-the-line research model.

Just to repeat myself: VT-4 can quite easily be an 11.7 tank, but only if we get decompression, which really is needed atp.