At 11.7 is useless and without any other lineup vehicle, i’d suggest to put it on 11.3 so it can stay in a proper lineup and be used without actual suffering aside his missing spall liners…
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Its literally like a few other light tanks at 11.7 they have no BR lineup so either play it and uptier the other tanks or play it at 12.0 you dont deserve special treatment lol
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no it stays 11.7
mald
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Remove DTC-10 and it can move down, otherwise it stays.
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T-90A is 11.0 and it’s basically a sidegrade, with worse mobility on the one hand, but protection levels several orders of magnitude superior on the other hand.
VT-4 could very well be 11.3, given the nerfed and utter poor state of its armor.
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Uh…no? Several tanks at 11.0 have their top round in several nations, and DTC10 is one of the weakest top tier rounds even…i’m not asking to go 10.7 but atleast at 11.3 so it can be played with other MBT’s since it is literally a worser Al-Khalid…
11.7 is literally alone with no business, it already misses his spall-liners, zero side armor and nerfed qualities, 11.3 does not kill anyone and it just makes the gameplay a tiny better after gaijin utterly destroyed 11.0 for their own enjoyment
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T-90A has vastly worse mobility and should be 11.3, T-80BVM/Type-99A like armor.
Armor:
Weakspot shots:
VT-4 moves to 11.3 when all other 11.7s move to 11.3 as well for fairness.
@TheDidact99
T-80U [more armor]: 11.7.
M1A1 [less armor]: 11.3.
T-80BVM [similar armor]: 12.0.
Leclerc [worse armor]: 12.0.
Leopard 2PL [worse armor and round]: 11.7.
Leopard 2A4M [worse armor]: 11.7.
Conveniently missing out the colossal lower frontplate of the vt4 and his inexistent breach armor, the T80U is absurdly better protected of the VT4 with even some bits of side armor, my suggestion is relegated to the VT4 itself not the other 11.7…
Reminder also that the VT4 is poorly modeled and badly nerfed with several much needed changes approved but not added…
Again as said, putting it at 11.3 does not break any BR unlike what you think, defacto at 11.3 there is the literal T80UM2…which is also miles better then a VT4…
Edit: also love how you think the VT4 and T80BVM have similar armor lolol, it’s clear af that you never played a VT4…holy this stat card warriors…
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Worse armor… and significantly better rate of fire and mobility.
Yeah, Leopard 2PL has been long overdue for DM53.
But better reload and mobility.
Significantly better rate of fire and mobility, again.
If VT-4’s UFP wasn’t bugged and weren’t a lolpen area even at 84º, yeah, I think it would be a nice 11.7.
The problem is that not only is the LFP weakspot bigger than it should be, but the whole UFP is also a weakspot as well. Because no matter the angle, everything just slices through.
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True, i forgot that the chinese tanks have also the slowest reload of all the Top tier mbt’s…
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Here I go defending Chinese vehicles against hateful disinformation again.
The breach armor is in the post, stop lying.
Also the breach area is smaller than the Leopard 2A4/2PL’s breach area; LFP is the same area of those tanks.
T-80UM2 fires a significantly worse round and is less mobile.
And of course Spanish is defending T-90A at 11.0 instead of correcting its BR to 11.3.
You’re a self-proclaimed stat card warrior, so that explains it.
You are defending nothing bro XD
You are against without even having them played, you cannot say leo2pl and t80bvm have comparable armor with a straight face…
Or even that at 11.7 the Type 90B or T80U are comparable…
The VT4 is being added at 11.7 with no other tank that can be taken without a forceful uptier…
Leopards by basis are above for their top tier armor array and -30+ reverse (where vt4 has nerfed -17)
And also none have the slowest reload in game…
Edit: self-proclamed? Funny i have most of the tech trees minus 2 completed…atleast be true lol
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Not this weird logic again…
How is wanting VT-4 to be overtiered while nerfed “defending it”?
How is pointing out that the state of its armor and/or BR “hateful disinformation”…?
I didn’t “defend T-90A at 11.0”; I states that VT-4 being 0.7 BRs above T-90A makes no sense when they are more of a side grade given VT-4’s current state.
VT-4 should be 11.3, and VT-4A1, at most, 11.7.
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Oh, apart from the bugged out UFP that can be penned at 84° and the excessively big LFP weakspot, I forgot to mention it’s still missing its spall liners.
If VT-4 and A1 were fixed entirely, they would be great 12.0s.
But at their miserable state… even 11.3 and 11.7 feels like a stretch. They are no better than Al-Khalid.
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Also nerfed DTC-10, we can write a book about how VT4 is lolpennable but should be a not
Ah and btw i’m not chinese even :)
I just played this miserable tank with the A1 version…
Absolutely if fixed 12.0, but one can dream…
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Idk too much on all MBT subject, but it is wild to say a tank with >570mm flat pen and above average mobility should be 11.3 because there are better tanks at 11.7/12.0. I want to see them faces of 10.3/10.7 players catching them tungsten rounds right in the face from like 2 km getting one-shot’ed.
What we need in fact is decompression of top tier. Period.
@TheDidact99
Of course your post resorts to stat shaming instead of arguing the topic…
Not sure why your post is bringing up Type 90.
3BM60/DTC-10 are highly competitive rounds. Neither are “nerfed”.
More armor:
@SPANISH_AVENGER Cause while the LFP may be larger than it should be, the armor’s state is no where close to bad in the context of high BR MBTs.
There are many MBTs with worse armor than VT-4 in War Thunder sitting around and above its BR.
Remove VT-4 and we dont have to have complaints xD
Dtc-10 125 is infact nerfed quite heavily, but it’s for balancing, though I’m not sure why they picked 577, could have just given it a nice round 600.
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I bring the Type 90B because you love to talk about other 11.7 tanks…and type 90B is absurd compared to VT4…
I say nerfed because unlike your capabilities of reading…there are accepted reports to gaijin for the missing penetration of the DTC-10…which we are waiting since 2 years…
Not bad by any stretch but should be better…
AL-khalid existance alone makes the VT4 at 11.7 wrong in so many ways…
Also i love your statements of before…mister “BVM and VT4 have comparable armor” return to me when you actually played said tank…
We complain because we are getting new and new modern PLA vehicles that get shafted every single time…
VT-4, HQ17, VT-5 where we literally have to pray to have it somewhat playable…
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