I am not talking about this. It is not about realism. ANY AND ALL 2 PIECE AMMO DOES IT. No matter if you shoot a 150mm HE projectile in a Brummbär, or even the 183mm HESH on the Shitbarn, it will often just black out.
This is not evidence for russian bias, because it is not exclusive to russian tanks.
It’s called “volumetric”. This happens on literally any tank. Yesterday my M4A1’s mantlet ate a shot from a Sturer Emil at point blank.
It does not mean chinese/americal bias.
Or when the Tiger’s driver port casually eats DM53…
Again, happens to every tank.
Why is it not german bias? Why dont all of you cry about it too?
My 6kg+ shell passed trhough the MG operator and did nothing.
This is obviously german bias, and Gaijin clearly supports the Austrian Painter and his ideologies!
Gaijin exposed!
Oh wait…
This is not bias, it is just massive incompetence from the devs and/or management.
We still have bugs that are in the game for like 7 years by now (Like the “You cannot buy more” bug).
This can’t be more true. Volumetric mess and shells blacking out are present in literally every tier of the game, but somehow it’s only an issue when it affects top tier vehicles.
Strange that it works in every other game tho.
Again this is not anywhere near a valid reason. And providing access via thris parties to stats would not hinder this in any way. It might even help.
Not every vehicle needs to perform on the same level. some can be underpowered, other can be a bit OP. That is what you call meta.
Right now the players expect every vehicle to be of the same power. because that is what Gaijin claims they want and what they claim their stat based balancing is for. With absolutely no way for the players to follow along and make meaningfull suggestions.
How? Like that makes zero sense and I already disproven in my statement from which you took that quote.
Those are a joke. Those are not Patch notes. They are accurately labeled as “Change logs” which is not a patch note.
for exampler this is a full and comprehensive Patchnote listing every minute change in the game for a single, non major patch WoT Patch 1.22
What we have and what you posted is an abreviation with some changes.
Does it list the Changes to Tank MGs? Does it list the changes to specific map objects like walls, fences, houses. Which ones are affected where they are, if just a single on is affected for example and so on. There are probably more than 100 changes just from the Sons of Atilla update alone which are not mentioned in the patchnotes yet have significant implications for the gameplay.
Again we have no Patchnotes in War Thunder and claiming otherwise is an intentional lie.
Why are you still here? You don’t own any of these high-tier tanks. Evacuate the thread instead of polluting it. People even told you that the BVM has an invisible piece of armor around the carousel that not only doesn’t spall but also eats all of the spalling.
This is probably something you would know if you actually had a single high-tier tank and played there.
What is that unhinged wall of text even supposed to hint at?
We gave you many elements but you quite simply refuse to accept them and continue with your ramblings.
You want to debate a topic you have 0 experience in and thus do not understand. Don’t be surprised when people dismiss your uneducated opinion on this subject. Your words would have a lot more weight if you had actual experience regarding the subject being talked about. From there, you ad hominem us like a kid because you’re the one with 0 solid arguments.
So if i give you 100 different books about Star Wars, it will mean that the stories in it are true?
No matter how many bad paoints you make, they will not make it true.
Again, why don’t you address my points?
If i am so “uneducated”, and you are so smart, it should be really easy for you!
Because they’ve been addressed already, multiple times. You just refuse to understand the answers, or can’t understand them. Pick your choice. But I’ll do it one last time to put the matter to rest.
The fact alone that the T-80BVM is currently more survivable than the T-72B3 should ring a bell in your brain about its busted damage model. The T-72B3 should be the more survivable tank with its low profile carousel autoloader yet that’s not the case. And no, this is not a freak issue. This is a consistent thing.
Again, this has a lot to do with the invisible armor around the BVM carousel that magically stop spalls. Fuel tanks that don’t spall(All of the armored NATO fuel tanks do spall because that magic 20mm steel case around the fuel tank creates enough shrapnel to kill the entire turret crew). Couple that with shells not blowing up, a bs mantlet that also creates almost no spall while stuff like the Leopard 2A5 and 2A6 have an artificial modifier that creates more spall. And you’re starting to get a clearer picture of what’s wrong.
Couple that with a sprinkle of Ka-50/52 that also have godlike damage models, often tanking 3-4 stingers before they can be put down for good. Pantsir being the best AA in the game, alongside being a totally unnecessary addition at the time(still is compared to the competition). Stuff like the 2S38 that is quite simply better at 10.0 than the HSTVL t 11.3. And NATO missing a lot of weapons to counterbalance all that.(modern shells like Russia, better armament on their helicopters, more modern NATO tanks with actual hull armor, etc)
You can also add many NATO/Non russian tanks having absolutely butchered performance. Type 10 comes to mind immediately.
Except no. Only M1 has armored fuel tanks and thats a trade off for less fuel explosions. Japanese tanks often tanks with their fuel tanks, but they are explode quite often too. Its simply not true.
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All tanks have butchered performance. It can be their reload times, elevation speed or compltete wrong modeling, like with Type 10 and Type 90. And yeah, Russian tanks have their artificical nerfs too.
T-14 would get its turret disabled by auto canon all day long.
Side shot in the front and its dead
140mm shot straight in the front and its dead
Round used and tank fired at ?
As said above, the BVM is really the main problem because of the carroussel armor that eats spall and doesn’t spall, a <10 mm plate should not stop spalling as easily.
As for the devs, some think they now better than what first hand sources claim, may I remind you the igla/mistral/stinger mess
That’s simply not true. Please do more effort. All Leopard 2 have armored fuel tanks. Challengers(all versions) have armored fuel tanks(albeit armored exterior fuel tank but the interior plates still create insane spalling). All Ariete have armored fuel tanks. And even the Leclercs have 2 large armored fuel tanks. And I’m probably missing more.
The T-80BVM is fine. It doesn’t have problems making it weaker as far as I know. It’s in fact overperforming rather than underperforming in armor and thermal.(It has gen3 instead of gen2)
All helis broken. And yeah, i got Ka-50 one shotted by my Type 93 in one battle and 2 shots in another. And same happened with Apache and even with even smaller stuff, like Bo
The Ka-50/52 flying without tail is the biggest offender of them all. I always have to shoot 2-3 ADATS missiles at the people first spawning them with rockets and going for spawn. 1 ADATS rocket is a sure way for the zombie, tailless, Ka-50/52 to kill me with rockets after I had the kill in the logs.
Yes, I know the heli can do that in real life but NOWHERE with the kind of manoeuver you see in War Thunder. In WT, they retain enough surface control as to rotate and precisely aim their gun/rockets. Just no. Especially after getting hit by a missile that has TWENTY time the explosive mass as a stinger.
This is what happens to a Mi-24 hit by a slightly larger stinger.(Piorun)
Again external.
Okay, i should had specify, that im about internal ones.
And all internal fuel tanks arent armored. Leclercs have their fuel tanks internally and without armor in front and in bottom of tank.
Both type 10 and type 90 have their fuel tanks internally and without armor.
So yeah, its a trade off for less fuel explosions.
Its not.
I read it. And its sourceless pile of text (same as some otrher posts made by him, like “rebuilding japanese tree” or it was calling something like that, where he made absolutely sourceless calculations about penetration, based on nothing).
Find me one source that confirms the T-80BVM should have 3rd generation thermal. The T-80BVM FCS is the Sosna-U, which itself is based on the 2nd Generation Catherine FC. It was advertised as a ‘3rd generation’ thermal by the company making it but the quality itself went slightly down from the Catherine during the local production. This is not surprising considering Russia has always been extremely backward when producing thermal scopes.
There is also the PNM-T that is slowly replacing the Sosna but there is no concrete information pointing to the PNM-T being a high definition thermal worthy of being called 3rd Generation.
It’s sourced in the first post, and then more are posted in the thread itself. But it’s an easy way out for you to simply dismiss it as such. Good job.
I think i know what guy you talk about. In the span of ~30 comments, he just made like 4 different pen calculation, one of them ended up with more angle pen at 60 degs on the Chi-To than the 122mm BR-471B xd.
What he wrote on the JP TT is irrelevant and serves no other purpose than to discredit the work he’s done.
Now for the funny part, his work is based on older work by Gaijin’s very own Senior Technical Moderator, Conraire - he had reported the issue of overperforming Soviet/Russian armours as far back as 2019. If you look at Conraire’s findings, they both conclude exactly the same thing; the way Gaijin modelled eastern armours is wrong.
And the bettet part? Book written by Leopard 2’s Project Manager states that a tank firing DM33 APFSDS could duel all Soviet MBTs of the time at long ranges (i.e have no problems defeating them, so clearly there is protection issue) until they got K-5 ERA.
