Vast majority of boats are unplayable

[TIGER_TANK_1]

Most boats in this game are really weak and are readily slaughtered, even compared to their BR range. I have been playing coastal for a long time now, primarily focused on Arcade.

I have finished Japanese and French lines, and are at rank IV for Italy and Germany (I researched the boats but I am waiting for SL discount), rank III for the rest of them. I will be talking about coastal spawn boats, not ones like SKR-7 because they are more comparable with destroyers than coastal spawns.

I would classify three things that make a boat.

• Fast and powerful torpedo (Pr 206, PT-810),
• Powerful armament (Pr 206, Pr 204),
• Bluewater DM (Folaga, M802)

What is Bluewater DM and Coastal DM? Blue water DM is when crews are not counted as a part of the hull, but as a part of components.

This is Yamato HE shell against coastal and bluewater DM.

As soon as one steps into 1.3, it is over as you can face Aconit with 102mm, 2x 57mm, 40mm, 2x 20mm, and a bluewater DM to boot.

Other than Soviet armored boats and those with bluewater DM, or those with specficially powerful armament (pr 206) you can expect to die a lot getting only 57 points.

The Thunderbolt premium boat is one such example of unplayable boats. It is perfectly fit against boats of similar weaponry (quality and quantity) but it will face boats that are much more powerful than it, even those with same or lower BR.

The time it takes to destroy one turret of Arras (which takes like 3% of its crew) is equal to the amount of time it takes to destroy one hull component of a coastal boat with such DM.

Even 40mm does too low damage to consistently keep all the turrets disabled for these powerful boats, especially at 3km+ range.

[TheDudesRug]

Those boats should die quickly and good to a Pr. 206, though. Since 206 can’t do any damage to bigger boats. That should not change. Some boats are just meant to be on top of the food chain.

[SilentTracker]

Hey there friend! I agree with your sentiment(s). I am leaving a link to the other “main” Naval Battles thread where the current issues facing Naval are being discussed. If this thread gets locked, please join us on this other thread and repost your first post over there (or just go ahead and post it now, as MANY other Naval players have the thread below “watched/tracked” and will read and reply to your thoughts.)

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Naval mode is finally dead

Naval mode was bad before, and with every patch, they somehow make it even worse. Now the aiming sights make no sense—you can’t even tell where the guns are pointing while the turret rotates. You aim your shot, and it lands completely off, anywhere but where you aimed. It used to be better; you could calculate your shots and strategize where to damage the enemy ship.

[TIGER_TANK_1]

Some boats should be better than others, true. But what is the point of the BR system if boats that are overall better are tiered way lower?

[TIGER_TANK_1]

If this gets locked I will post in the big thread. I just think that this is a issue that deserves its own thread, and naval mode is certainly not ‘dead’, at least not bluewater.

[SVOBAJS_CZECHIA]

it is really TRASH. I am starting to experience a new nation. And i play with 1.0Br vs 1.7 or 2.0Br. I have 12.7mm 23 pen but enemy have 40mm or 76mm and more crew. this is really bullsh1t. or boat 2.3 with 1x 40mm vs destroyers 3.3Br. i have 5 crew and he have 100+ :D this is unplayable. But UPTIER is problem. for Boats is ENEMY ONLY UPTIER.

[Josephs_Piano]

Starting a new nation is always 100% uptier for a bit - why expect boats to be different??

[TheDudesRug]

@SVOBAJS_CZECHIA

with 1x 40mm vs destroyers 3.3Br

meh, get used to this. For example Pr. 206 at 4.3BR. The majority of both teams are destroyers. You need to factor this into your gameplay, hang around coastal areas, help cap, eat the boats you can eat.

[PointyPuffin]

My biggest issue with coastal vessels is their RP and SL prize.

In the highest ranks of the coastal trees you get vehicles that can barely compete with rank III bluewater vessels, but they have 20x the RP and SL requirements, while sharing the same matchmaking.

[TIGER_TANK_1]

Dont even need to be an uptier. The thunderbolt has same BR as Arras.

Said boat would also be slaughtered by the Soviet armored boats with 76mm guns, which has now been stabilized. Even SF40 floating platform.

The best way to grind is to buy a frigate (not the British one, its bad). You are roughly comparable to a 3.3 destroyer and can at least go toe to toe with them.

[TIGER_TANK_1]

Yeah only a few coastal boats (destroyer ones and coastal spawn ones) are worth it. Rest are either average at best, unplayable at worst.

[TheDudesRug]

@PointyPuffin

they have 20x the RP and SL requirements,

At least coastal vessels are eligible for events at a lower BR than blue water. For example: Pr. 206 is Rank V @ 4.3. The 4.3 Destroyers are Rank II. You don’t get to Rank V in blue water until 6.3 in tech-tree. Also, I’m not sure why you’re directly comparing them to bluewater vessels? They fulfill different roles.

[PointyPuffin]

They fulfill different roles, but they get the same gamemode and the same spawn zones (frigates).

Yet they can barely confront anything they face at their BR.

An example for Germany:

Z43: rank II, BR 4.7, costs 11,000 RP and 22,000 SL

F220 Köln: rank V, BR 4.7, costs 320,000 RP and 860,000 SL

How does that make sense? They share one game mode and one matchmaker. I am referring purely to the economy in relation to performance here.

[TheDudesRug]

@PointyPuffin

They fulfill different roles, but they get the same gamemode and the same spawn zones (frigates).

Frigates are their own can of worms. Ones like the Yenot have no real point to them over spawning a destroyer. Unless you’re in a SKR-1/7 or such, you obviously want to be doing that coastal spawn goodness. That’s how I did most of the event. Nice and quick action in the Pr. 206.

And yes, I know the higher-tier coastal require more to grind than the lower-tier bluewater.

Frigates just need work. If you look at OP’s post he was mainly discussing actual PT-Boats/Sub-chasers.

[TIGER_TANK_1]

I think the main advantage of frigates lies in faster torpedo reload (in arcade mode), availabilty of HE-VT shells, modern-ish radar (more relevant RB really), and faster guns for clubbing coastal spawns.

Back when Arcade didn’t had instant rangefinder or auto aim, frigates could rangefind quickly while other ships have to wait.

[TheDudesRug]

@TIGER_TANK_1

I think the main advantage of frigates

Yeah, when they have an actual point of difference to the destroyers at their BR they can work. The upcoming MPK-33 for the USSR tree is a frigate I’ll use @ 4.7, because it has missiles.

[Rupert64]

most US and GB rank II destroyers have HE-VT shells too, even some russian destroyers in WW2 configuration have them which I assume is non-historical (HE-VT was super high-tech in WW2)

[TIGER_TANK_1]

One more boat to crush the coastals.