I did no such thing - I noted that it mostly filled the role of a CRUISER tank - and the Churchill was much closer to being a heavy tank.
@O_Warrior0 - please note
Well, thank you very much for your clarification. Apparently Mr @Hetaeron is using your opinion as a source. I’d agree with you that the Churchill was more of an heavy tank due it thicker armour around it hull and turret very well protected tank.
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No way it’s equal to the Pz III N.
The reason the Mk XI is a lower BR is due to the gun. The XI has the QF 75mm with no APHE, while the IX has the 6-Pdr.
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I’ve already answered this question. You’re literally getting repetitive. I can’t always be the one looking for messages. Put some effort into it and reread the messages.
Again, I’ve already answered this question… Valentine XI will behave as it was classified, and no one will ever question its good frontal armor again.
Show me an official source that says it’s a medium tank? Since you’ve been repeating like a parrot since the beginning of the conversation that it’s a medium tank… I’m really excited to see what excuse you’re making.
Valentine XI is an infantry tank, developed primarily in the interwar period and during World War II (e.g., Churchill, Matilda), and infantry tanks were much closer to a heavy or breakthrough tank.
Now who is arguing in bad faith, ignoring official sources and instead treating player opinions as evidence, only to then dismiss counter-evidence—literally every counter-argument he puts forward—as absurd?
@TIGER_TANK_1 I found your soul mate. (Not being rude)
Italian tank BR is ridiculous.
Valentine with 57mm is much better than 57mm Valentine. But yeah, 2.7 BR is kinda brutal.
But don’t worry. Buy Sherman Composito and then you have monster 3.7 Italian lineup and you can sealclub people to no end.
And I’ve never hidden this, since I’ve been pointing it out to you since the beginning of the conversation. By using images and quotes here, you’re just playing dumb.
Apparently, @O_Warrior0 is bothered by the fact that his Valentine XI isn’t a medium tank but is classified as an infantry tank, developed primarily in the interwar period and during World War II (e.g., Churchill, Matilda); infantry tanks were much more like heavy or breakthrough tanks.
“like” is not the same as “is the same as” - the Valentine did not resemble a heavy tank at all, nor did the Matilda I - the Churchill did, the Matilda II kind of did in some respects.
The French also had infantry tanks - and they are much more like light tanks - in that they were all quite small. They were also slow and relatively well armoured - the H35, R39 and FCM.
Trying to make a 1:1 equivalence between infantry and heavy tanks is not a sustainable argument - each individual vehicle has to be evaluated on it’s own merits.
And the Valentine is one where there is no merit in the attempt.
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Sure, it was never a medium tank but an infantry tank. But I can see why Gaijin classifies it as a medium tank. I have said many times it was an infantry tank as well. The reason that Gaijin put it as an “Medium tank” is because it too light to be a heavy tank and too heavy to be a light tank and it pretty much have characteristics of an medium tank as well.
The Infantry tank III (all Valentine tanks)
All Valentine tanks are classified as infantry tanks. So if you believe just because one behaves like a heavy tank we are going to need to change every Valentine in the game to classify it as a heavy tank.
So you know? Then case closed. All the opinions you used to show that it is a heavy tank are just gone now?
Well, as the community can see, I have shown you the source of the Valentine tank above, as it was classified as an infantry tank, and I said it was an infantry tank, but now you have mentioned I have clearly ignored the fact it was an infantry tank. Are you using artificial intelligence to write all this argument against me?
You have pointed out plenty of people’s opinions and deny all official sources. This is call “confirmation bias”.
Apparently you have shown again that you have clearly ignored everything that everyone said that was against you. I told you I never played this tank but I face it alot and I can easily beat it with no problem most of the time. I have show you plenty of time this is an “infantry tank” but you have denied it, I have shown 2 sources so far, but you refuse to belive officals yet you choose to belive someone elses opinions that dosen’t even have sources.
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Ignorance can resemble ragebaiting, but it isn’t the same :)
Either way his “arguments” have been well debunked so I suggest you mute/ignore him for a bit to avoid the likely decline into even more nonsense and drivel.
He was, like, repeating what I said before and now blaming me that I never said that and for the lack of evidence and I suspect him of using artificial intelligence.
Extraordinary, so you admit that it’s not a medium tank and shouldn’t be classified as a medium tank.
I wanted it to be a heavy tank because that classification is closer to an infantry tank than a medium tank.
Your words, not mine… You could have saved yourself that, especially with someone who, unlike you, remained calm throughout the entire conversation… So I could say the same thing… but I’m sure which is all flour from your own sack what you wrote…
Look at your image above again… From the beginning of the conversation, you interpreted it as a medium tank when in fact it is not… This is called ‘confirmation bias’.
I have never denied that it was an infantry tank. Look through the messages, I always refer to medium tanks… Mate, before criticising, you would have done better to reread the conversation… Furthermore, as I have already shown you, you yourself classified it as a medium tank… All my objections were about the classification of medium tank, which you seemed to prefer… At the risk of being repetitive but right: Are you playing dumb again to win an argument?
And why on earth should I do that?
Im asking for quotes from before someone suggesting that irl it would be considered a heavy.
So your entire issue was you seeing the “medium” label and assuming that means you can easily frontally pen it?
In my opinion, you are the one who didn’t understand what I wanted to tell you… but this is your problem, not mine… and again I don’t understand why you have to accuse me of things I didn’t do just to discredit me and win a conversation, this is typical behavior of an immature person.
Excellent advice, I think the only way is to stop responding to him. Since I have already demonstrated that @O_Warrior0 gave the medium tank in his conversation and that it was obvious that he prefers it as a medium tank, when in fact the Valentine XI is not classified as a medium tank.
EDIT: Fixed typo
It is classified as an “infantry tank”, and Gaijin haven’t made an “infantry tank” classification for the game yet. And it does make sense to me that it is classified as a medium tank. It’s way too light to even be called a heavy tank. It’s too heavy to be called a light tank. So the perfect option is the “medium tank” and it definitely cannot be classified as a “tank destroyer” either.
That’s not how the community sees it.
First you called me a guy who is always mad, but now you finally call me a chill guy. So anyways, I don’t see any problem with the words I said, and they perfectly match what I am trying to reply as an counter argument that you said it being a heavy tank.
The image above shows me that you are trying to argue that the Valentine XI is “heavy”. I pointed out that it shouldn’t be an heavy because it too light to be considered heavy, but instead it shall be an “medium”. It also too heavy to be considered a light tank. It also perfectly matches the fact that it has a characteristic similar to an medium tank.
Really? You may not deny it was an infantry tank, but you have denied that it was a medium tank. Instead you think it an “Heavy tank” and it act like one, I just don’t see that.
Look at this; you kept complaining. it is an heavy tank. The majority of your argument is to propse a change to the valentine XI turning it from an Medium>>>> Heavy.
I don’t see that the Valentine XI is a heavy tank. It has the characteristics of a medium tank.
Till now you still haven’t seen a single source proving that the Valentine is an “heavy tank”.
That will be a question for yourself.
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