I’ve tried researching this topic recently and I can’t find anything besides helicopter based fire-and-forget weapons.
Does anyone know of any fire and forget (not semi-automatic laser guidance) weapons the USSR can get for ground based vehicles?
Maybe Kornet-D/EM
Those are semi-automatic laser guidance.
Main thing I can think of is the Khrizantema, but that would be nothing new in game.
I didn’t think about that one, but that requires a radar lock from the parent vehicle, in terms of IR guided weapons it doesn’t look like there are any options for the USSR unfortunately.
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Not that I’m aware of.
Russia nowadays seems unable to produce products such as Spike, so they compensate by making traditional ATGMs unreasonably powerful.
Not a bad way of doing things, but it is a missing capability in their arsenal.
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yup, the kornet em has 1100-1300 mm of armor penetration. It is not that they can’t produce a fire and forget missile, they just don’t want to waste +$50k per missile, or they don’t have this money.
The USSR was behind the west technologically across the board, but nowhere was the discrepancy so great as in electronics. this is a large factor in the lack of self guided weapons on soviet vehicles and why gaijin keeps adding vehicles from the last several years for the russian/soviet tree to compete with western vehicles that are 30+ years old.
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They dont have the money, time and integrity to properly issue a new completely different equipment in the army, with such rampant corruption i highly doubt theyd be able to develop, produce and train on a completely different system for their atgm. For this to be actually viable theyd need to do this at a large scale. Having just a few fnf missiles lying around would be useless.
Thwy cant even do it at a smaller scale with lmut on some of their best trained personell (ka 52 pilots)
There has actually been a few developments by the Russians, a lot of which are in use by their fixed and rotor wing fighter fleet and soon some of their ground forces.
Im only aware of lmur as a weapon theyve used a few times. What else is there they acrually use?
This doesn’t fit the definition of ‘few times’
As of late November 2022, more than 40 videos showing combat use of the LMUR in Ukraine had been released.
According to the Lostarmour OSINT project, there has been at least 111 documented uses of LMUR in Ukraine as of December 2023.
Its a few times by all accounts co sidering the scale of ukraine as a conflict, find the numbers of vikhrs then compare, also lost armour is not a reliable source for information, they suck.
That is miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Doubly considering the war is 2 years on.
Not that it is a competition anyways, but I wonder how many spikes have been made/used.
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The comparison isnt that good, lmur is being used for the first time in ukraine, and its a different system, its also a more specialized system and a significantly larger one.
Make no mistake the technology for a spike anogue is not an issue for russia, iran almas atgm is a bad copy of the spike, russia can get plenty of spike analogues to reverse engineer if they needed, the problems are of a different nature
X-39 and vikhr different missiles with different purposes. You can also compare it with the number of S-8 fired.
I don’t care much about it. If this makes you feel better, you can assume that lmur was not used at all.
Latest information as of the end of 2023. And you speak as if each launch of the lmur was documented. I am sure for each documented launch there were 3-4 such launches about which we know nothing.
Yes but actually not really, yes different missiles with different purposes, no that doesnt make 111 usages(unlikely these numbers are accurate) is anywere near a large amount for this kind of weapons. Also the purpose is not thst difference, more than a few of the confirmed losses from lmur missiles are armored vehicles such as bmps.
First of all numbers were likely inaccurate as lostarmour is a really bad source for anything russia/ukraine, second that assumption is incredibly stupid.
We would have a significantly larger amount of footage if that was true. Yet the footage for lmur is incredibly little.
Well then you can provide your reliable source where it is written about ‘few times’. I am waiting impatiently.