Can someone explain me situation with 11.7 - 12.0 USSR?
I’ve seen a lot of posts crying about how USSR dominates top tier. After completing GER tree I decided to try USSR top tier.
And the experience has been awful. No one plays the objective, people camp and die always and we get steamrolled. So all of the copium posts are emotional ones, that get posted after dying to a T-90? Or am I playing a much different game here where USSR top tier is actually pretty bad because of the players?
“It’s all Russian bias until you play Russia”. You made a mistake, USSR tech tree is worthless and time consuming. Japan has a lot better top tier in my opinion. Actually anything else over USSR is better.
Not only the tech tree itself, the vehicles are awful and so the players, most of them are new premium players grinding early vehicles, I don’t blame them but at the same time I don’t like. Most of the players that made USSR steamroll other are now in others tech tree, probably Germany or Sweden where the Meta are.
Russia is literally the second best nation you can play in this game.
Is the second best for newbies, work little to gain much, the consequences: bad players, which also means bad experience for everyone, I can’t remember having a good match in USSR this week. In general aspects USSR may be the sixth tech tree, but not the second and neither the third best to play, by 8.0 the player experience USSR is the same until 12.0.
Lol, having Best CAS, best helicopters, Best Spaa and really good tanks are worthless and time consuming?
Someone needs a reality check.
Yeah they like to start with it, but the WR are still fine even with an army of newbies buying their way to top tier, it’s literally easy to play Russia just hold W and shoot at everything that moves. Having the second best armor, best helicopters, best CAS,best SPAA in almost every BR, bad transmission, bad reload.
But yeah i’d trade reload in the abrams for better armor anyday now.
Same, people look at Abrams and Merkava’s and they are saying but you have 5 seconds reload.
Well i prefer good armor over 5 second reload in this case, especially for merkavas cause they are even worse than Abrams.
It’s really pathetic how Russian mains don’t appreciate what they have right now, bouncing several shots, surviving a dart that literally went straight through your ammo and you’re still able to move, that’s literally spall liners inside of their tanks but naah Russia is time consuming, spawning with +20km that goes 2.3 Mach missiles and having 6 confirmed kills without having to drop flares or maneuver because there’s no SPAA that can reach you is time consuming.
Victim card as always.
False
I started playing russia and its so ez op tanks all over the place
I’m going to be real i haven’t played much USSR beyond rank 5 but its just meh, I die a lot to T90Ms and BVMs at top tier due to bs ERA and Russian players being able to poke arounda corner and not have to worry to much, but i think its fine in its current state if you look past the SU34 Pantsir combo issue. Its Top tier MBTs are about middle of the pack if not among the better ones, but by no means the best, and taking armour over reload is just a preference, I for one would take a shorter reload.
Exactly, My T series survives countless time thanks to autoloader’s absorbing ability, not to mention their tanks are not as bad as people claims.
Not gonna even talk about SU34, that thing is broken in terms of pure CAS power.
Let’s not mention how the ERA perform so good and it’s like a black hole, B…b…but 4km reverse speed.
And that only occurs on T72-T90 models.
T80’s has 11km reverse speed which is not great but not terrible.
Best part about those ERA’s are they love absorbing autocannon fires and not explode.
Past days i was spading my PUMA VJTF and CV90 MK IV and let me tell ya, those ERA’s were just straight absorbing my shells without even exploding.
I do believe that USSR has really good tech. But what about the narrative that it dominates top tier? It can’t be true though. With my own eyes for the past two weeks I see super bad matches where people do not understand the basic principles of capturing the point. Spawn → rush towards enemy spawn → die → leave. And it is not only premium players, 100 lvl “I hate wallet warriors” do it also.
So is it false narrative of USSR dominating top tier?
I don’t know if the guy still typing or just gave up.
If i see a Russia tank and i’m playing with a light tank i literally just give up and run away, it’s pointless to shoot, launch few SPIKES and drop smoke then drive away, but hold on try to shoot a single dart on the Abrams turret ring using an auto cannon, muh Abrooms is the best tank better than 2A7.
Im just bullying Abrams in my light vehicles, its so easy to disable them even with 30mm autocannon thanks to giant turret ring weakness.
Crazy how that’s fine and having all the perks i mentioned before is “Time Consuming” and “Worthless”.
I guess he’s just trying to get rid of the competition.
I believe main reason he thinks Russia is worthless and time consuming its because he doesnt have access to helicopters/planes and it was also his first tech tree.
Ground Line-up can be only judged by complete perks, which means air units should be included as well.
The USA mains will come here soon, and they will tell you that you are ignorant and that the Russians have 80%+ win rate.
Having the “best” tools doesn’t means having the best experience, as the poster mentioned, and from what I could understand he means this: bad players, which I conclude meaning bad experience.
Regarding the ground vehicles specifically, it seems very good, retreating at 4 km/h and the worst gun handling for tanks. I never had best experience with these two aspects of majority of USSR vehicles.
Yes if you shoot the upper glacis and the turret cheeks, is the second best armor, because this is where the best part of the armor is,
The Ka-52, most obvious subject are in the end of the line, where good tools should be, but, the T-80BVM is terrible regarding protection compared to T-90M, the fuel tank is equivalent to a explosive, as most other USSR vehicles and some Chinese too have this issue of easily being destroyed because of the fuel tank explosion, T-90M mobility and reload time is also limiting.
The best CAS at the end of line, composed of 2 vehicles. Now compare this to any other Western nation, they have better CAS accessibility at lower BR. If you mean “Ugh, but the Kh-38 […]” or something like that, not everyone has access to it.
USSR also doesn’t have “the best SPAA in almost every BR”, it’s just way too numerous, doesn’t mean efficiency, it only starts to be decent by 8.0, but not that good, ZSU-23-4 is awful at medium distances due to the projectile velocity and worst IRST between anti-air guns with search and lock radar, the Pantisir-S1 is also not this good people think it’s, not only being the primary target for CAS, nowadays is not enough to counter CAS.
In summary I don’t recommend playing USSR, there are plenty of other nations which will give you better experience in most BRs, currently for top to mid tier Japan is a good option, for low to mid tier I recommend France, China has some good vehicles that can outstand some of theirs in its BR range, specially the 8.0 range, Germany and Sweden holds the best top tier MBT with good mobility, armor and gun handling.
@Sug Madic2 and what kind of competition are there? The most players choose USSR the best because I wouldn’t want to play other minor nations like Japan with really good vehicles like the Type 10 and Type 90 against newbie players with less experience brainwashed by Content Creators that state USSR is the best nation to grind.
In this regard I’m thankful to anyone that manipulate those to play USSR, have a bad experience while I do around 5 to 7 kills, not every time obviously, in the Type 90 or TKX (P) at down tiers, or the blatantly lower BR Type 93 equipped in the Type 74 at 9.0 ammunition with similar performance to DM 23 ammunition.
My suggestion is, don’t play USSR wanting good experience, player or vehicles. I’ve had some terrible, bought T-72AV (Turms-T) about 2 to 3 years ago and I couldn’t finish the entirety of the tech tree because this one should be considered a scam, such bad vehicle, had to buy the 2S38 to finish the tech tree.
My grind in Japan is missing 4 of the last vehicles to finish the entirety of the tech tree and I can’t complain about it, and now I’m halfway on France with actually good matches and I can’t wait to get AMX-56 Leclerc, with decent to good mobility and gun handling compared to the vehicles in USSR.