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No. I did not. I ask you to read only what I type. What I said was, is that the Eurofighter is not a F-22 equivalent, and in the current meta has the weakest overall missile load for top tier. It, like many other jets, will need better missiles to compete against an F-22.
I’m saying the IRIS-T and ASRAAM carrying Eurofighters will not have competition until the F-22 is in game. The worse missile load in top tier is the F-16CM, having only 6 missiles total, also, the EFT still has the incredible performance, CM count, RWR, MAWS, and most AESA variants have really wide gimbal limits
It still quite literally has some of the weakest missile and top tier.
Im only half following this convo, but ASRAAM/IRIS-T should be added alongside everyone else. Period. If/when F-22s are added, then the Typhoons should get Meteor to compete.
There is no other option here. If F-15s got Aim-9X but Typhoon was stuck with Aim-9M, then it would be stupidly unfair. Especially as the Typhoon doesnt even get Aim-120Ds
Its BOL. It actually has one of the weakest CM loadouts at top tier at the moment, only beaten by the J-15T.
In this case, the EFT should basically never have anything new, it is not going to be fair fighting F15s with the asraam or iris-t, regardless or not if they have the aim-9x, it’s not even fair right now, we’re just going to have upgraded 4.5 gens for other nations, and EW can be introduced without new missiles for anyone.
AIM-120D isn’t even upgrade imo, if you are carrying the a/b variant you have the better missile, it definitely does not suddenly make the eft not one of the best planes in the game by far
F-16 still only gets 90 CM
Then neither should the F-15s.
Its simple. If the F-15, F-16, F-18, Su-30, etc get next gen missiles. Then so does the Typhoon.
If they get ECM/EW, so does the Typhoon
etc etc
There is no other option here.
and at the end of the day. When F-16s were dominating, I dont recall them adding Aim-9Ms to the Tornado to make it fair. No instead they added them to the F-16 first.
So why now should the US get an overwhelming advantage to fight an aircraft that really really actually needs some buffs. (BOL overhaul, FM buffs and fixes, misc issue, loadout buffs, etc etc)
When F-22 comes, then Meteor is the clearest buff the Typhoon can get to keep it on-par.
It is. It straight is an upgrade over the B and C5. Clearly, you arent using it right if you think its not an upgrade. But if its so bad, then why not let the Typhoon also get them?
Best aircraft at the moment is the Su-30SM2, by a wide margin. Rafale second due to its UFO FM and MICA EMs. Typhoon is third. F-15C GE though is a 14.7 worthy aircraft right here, right now. Has been probably since the December buffs. F-15C GE is literally one of the top aircraft at top tier right now.
I dont really consider the POBIT a top tier aircraft at the moment, so im not sure why you are fixating on it so much. The F-15C GE is the US’s top tier aircraft at the moment and it has the same 2x BOL as the Typhoon but rather than the Typhoons 32 LCMs to back it up, it has 240 CMs.
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the question is it the D or D-3 variants.
as uk operate D on thier EFT while germany only have D-3 when italy doesnt have D at all.
Strictly speaking none actually use them on the Typhoon (why use a worse Fox-3 missile, only reason they use on the F-35 is because the US broke the contract) , but that doesnt stop Gaijin for everyone else. So if they dont want to give the Typhoon Meteor, then Aim-120Ds would be fine. Technical compatibilty and all
But ASRAAM and IRIS-T. No matter what, should be added alongside AIm-9X
true as they were all bought as a pack with the F-35.
Yeah, only because they broke the deal and prevented us from intergrating meteor ourselves and then have spent the past decade delaying its intergration.
The F15CGE and PoBIT are the same br, how can the F-15 be top tier but the F-16 isn’t? Lets not be salty about past Gaijin decisions, because the EFT (both versions) has been solidly one of the best planes in the game since it’s release 2+ years ago, and last time I checked, it got the AIM-120C5 at the same time as the F-15 and F-18, and it was still better.
Your logic is neglecting the idea of balance by saying every genre of weapon should be added same time based on a made up metric like “missile generation”, the 2 often times conflict each other. By your logic the addition of the Su-39T should have brought ECM for every plane because of it’s IRCM
The F-15C GE is under BRed and should be 14.7.
The PoBIT is probably actually over BRed at the moment and either needs buffs (like double rack AMRAAMs) or a reduction to 14.0.
These are 2 entirely different level of aircraft and top tier really doesnt actually have much in the way of balance at the moment, just look at the J-15T.
This isnt true.
Typhoon was boarderline unusable for the first 6 months due to having a radar that didnt work. Even after being “fixed”, it was still and still remains to this day, one of hte weakest M-Scan radar at higher BRs. Its not until it actually got a usable radar with the CAPTOR-E that it finally came into its own, but was still weaker than the Su-30SM2 added in teh same update and remains weaker than the Rafale. Even the F-15C GE got buffs to keep pace with it.
it did, thankfully, otherwise it would have been massively behind. But we all know US mains needs some pretty major advantages to compete with everyone else.
They have stated very clearly that next gen IR will be added at the same time for everyone. Period.
But sure, using your logic, the F-22 should be limited to Aim-9M and Aim-120Cs whilst the Typhoon gets ASRAAM/IRIS-T and Meteor right?
right, it took some digging, since i was clearly remembering bookmarking that statement but didnt have it in bookmarks and couldnt for the love of god find out which thread it was.
Thankfully i recall what was the conversation about, so thanks to our most favorite AI slop generator, I was able to find it.
it was apparently in discussion regarding ninth wave dev server, which was since then delisted.
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That is only saying they won’t be added in a vacuum to one or two planes, not that they will come for every plane, at the same time
I do not recall saying this however.
I cant think of a single reason why they wouldnt add them all at the same time.
Other than wanting to handhold the US and USSR.
But using your same argument, the Tornado F3 should ahve gotten Aim-120s to compete with the F-15A and the US should have not gotten Aim-120s upon introduction right?
But okay, lets play that game, which aircraft in your opinion should actually get their next IR missiles and why do you feel they need special treatment?
Are you responding to my question?
i suppose?
If I asked you for the answer to 1+1, and you answered “3”, would I be wrong to assume you think 1+1=3?
You said “it was apparently in discussion regarding ninth wave dev server, which was since then delisted.”
This is implies that you think the image shows me “where did a dev say all next gen IRs were coming at the same time.”, which is what I asked for