F-5s only if they drag the mig23s into a turn right. If the mig23s is smart, they will disengage and fight on more favourable terms. The F-5s greatest weakness is poor A2A missiles and a weak radar with no IFF. It’s not until the FCU which is 11.7 that I would accept are a slightly greater threat to the Mig-23s but a mig23 won’t face them in an 11.3 bracket
4x 9Gs and 4x Skyflash DFs. (Canon provided by external gunpod but often it’s not taken to reduce drag and weight or a fuel taken is in its place)
It’s heavier than most phantom’s so turns worse but has more powerful engines that outperform other phantoms by a decent margin at low alt. It also has 30 more CMs than most phantom’s.
It’s only meaningful play is to hit and run with PDV radar and Skyflash, but with multipathing that is not always possible.
The best play is to bait the Mig23s up higher and attempt to outrange them with the skyflashes which outperform the R-24Rs but only when used at a range of about 10-12km.
Within that, the R-24Rs hold the advantage.
“Poor” ir aams? No
Rear aspect only? Yes.
I love whatever the F-4EJ ADTW and F-4S have for ir aams they hit almost every time, vs the r-60s.
If r-60 or Russian aams actually were decent it would be 11.7
But due to poor aam performance I don’t think 11.7 is fitting.
They have all-aspect IRs, better but fewer SARH missiles. Large calibre CMs Vs standard on most others and are generally the fastest thing at that BR, few things are faster (F-111 comes to mind maybe)
Only really weaknesses of the mig23s are the RWR which has a ahistorical buff to be able to detect PD locks and the radar which is fine but they need to add an option to disable auto mode switching.
Given the performance of most 11.0/11.3s the Mig23s, mig-23mld in perticular dwarf them. Look at aircraft like the sea harrier FRS1 or AMX A-1A. It’s insane they are the same BR
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I cant speak for either first hand, so I dont know how Aim-9P ( ADTW) or Aim-9H (F-4S) compare to the Aim-9G on the FGR2, but, I will say that the F-4S at the very least has both the agile eagle upgrade and HMD. The combo likely means they can far more reliably acquire good rear-aspect shots which naturally should favour better flare resitance, though throttling out of AB and 1-2 LCMs should defeat them without much issue either way
Not really, I was destroying migs sub 10KM, the Mach difference of 0.5 and the fact 2-3 chaff drops the R-24 lock means a win
I can hardly use HMD as I play on controller, and it’s a b**ch to setup
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Yeah… I use a HOTAS, but learning to make use of AiTrack/Opentrack for the HMD on the Typhoon. But its not easy, too date I’ve not had to worry about it as Britain has only just gotten HMS/HMD equipped aircraft in the last 2 updates and most favour straight line hit and runs and not turn fighting, so good head movement was simply not needed.
You can say that again.
I still haven’t decided how I want to run it because:
Radar Lock is Down+A, but if you don’t hit them perfectly in sync it resets your view and HMD because Down is also my free look key
So just set it to A right? Nope, LB+A is my missile seeker on/off and if I don’t hit them perfectly in sync it will drop my radar lock too
B is map, Y is Menu, X is Zoom, Left is Flaps, Up is Gear, Right is Airbrake and all the other button combos take my hands off the controls for too long to be useful as an HMD lock.
Hotas and or a Vr headset is a massive advantage.
I was trying to see if any eye tracker / head tracker items work with Xbox as it would solve this problem for me at least.
I have a rather good keybind setup, a lot of my buddies love it, I can sent it to you, if you want.
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That would be greatly appreciated if you could
Yes, but once R-24R is fired it doesn’t matter anymore, because the missile’s seeker itself has speed gating. As long as the radar is locked onto something and illuminates the area, the missile will hit the target, if it doesn’t get notched.
It works just as wonderfully as on F-4E.
I could argue that for guiding a SARH missile it’s better to have a pulse radar that switches lock onto chaff and keeps guiding the missile, than a pd radar that loses the lock and the missile when notched. Unless you have R-27s with IOG + DL.
I think in the case of old missiles like R-24R and AIM-7E2 you don’t even have to notch, you can also go cold and drop chaff.
R-60M is a perfectly fine missile for MiG-23s and definitely doesn’t hold them back. It only becomes bad on MiG-29, but even then it’s usable.
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Speed gating? Are we talking about IOG? Well if the target doesn’t move it’ll hit more than likely, but a minute adjustment and it misses.
I was teaching a buddy how to fly his new F-4s and I was in a Mig-23 MLD, and he was dodging my R-24R with only dropping 1-2 chaff and flying straight.
I do agree that the R-60 is really only good up to 12.0
R-24R has doppler gating in game
Were chaffs dropped before launch?
I cannot remember.
Would it make a difference if it did?
I played my F-15E finally.
I’ve been as right as my claims.
Even stock it’s super powerful.
I feel really bad for the enemy team tho, honestly…
And holy crap the Aim-9L to aim-9M power CREEP IS IMMENSE.
Every single aim-9m I fired landed.
All but 1 aim-120 landed.
We ran out of enemies so I had to start bombing XD
Which also sucks meaning playing USA or the USA team, you can never find a match of sim because they’re always packed full
It does, since if launched before - missile still would track target, not chaff
Then prob not.
Still trash for Russia lol.
Also I think we were talking about the brimstones before right?
Well, a bit off topic but:
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxSv742rVpD1tXLhRHHRLnlqyKovtu6KX3?si=pBnH4z7ytqomPbfY
As much as I despise justin, he won’t stay out of my feed on YouTube… no matter how many times I block his content
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