lmfao the leopard has BOLTED ON ARMOR L O L Can easily be 1 HIT K’0 simply by aiming low then right. loserpard destroyed.
go flag my message for spam again lol l o l
This is the only off topic comment I’ll post.
But, logistics wins wars,
Warthunder is not 1:1 with real life.
In real life, you aren’t going to hit a lower plate on a T-90M at 1200 meters, like you can in war thunder.
I’m real life there’s a lot of other factors.
Yes it’s true, that USA has a good logistical system, but that doesn’t mean their MBT is as good as it once was. (It’s also not fighting vehicles 20+ years older than it anymore, and yes I’m talking about the gulf war).
wouldnt need to, as the M829A3 can just blow through the turret armor
there is no tank on the planet with armor, survivability ammo as good as the U.S The leopard is and will always be behind the Abrams as its a engineering disaster.
Something else that is really dumb, is Gaijin finds any excuse like 3% engine RPM to buff US planes STR 5-10% (does the chart even say that?)
But when it comes to MiG-23 or MiG-29 it’s like;
“It will underperform it’s armed data; if clean”
Missiles on racks that’s like 5-10% gone right there.
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I didn’t want to be that person, but with your terrible performance and KD in both Air RB and Air SIM, I think you’re the one with the skill issue. I have all the top-tier planes for every nation in this game, so I’m well aware of which vehicles are OP and unbalanced. I also don’t mind anyone checking my Air RB/SIM win rate and KD.
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I’m really curious what did you smoke tonight, or are you just a total troll?
Air sim isn’t about K/D its about score. I also don’t remember i said anything about skill? I had a game where i got 17 kills with the F15-E 7 of which were assists. I don’t know why you would even factor in K/D when you have A.I ping spikes and J’ing out, radar not working, or my favorite bug the planes loading in with no weapons or guns and forcing you to j out and waste Silver lions in this game.
I also don’t care if you have every plane in the game. No one ever asked you about that.
There is no O.P or unbalanced planes when you have people whining and complaining about any and everything in this game. I truly couldn’t care less. The only thing that makes no sense is why the SU -33 and the F-15A are at 13.0 abd 13.3 with no fox 3 missiles
The reason is simple: your performance clearly shows that you don’t know how to play AIR SIM and lack the most basic air combat skills. Whether it’s your KD ratio or win rate, without any kills, what’s the point of discussing scores? Are you referring to bombing bases? If so, then sure, air combat performance might not matter. If you’re willing, we can even set up a custom 1v1 match with any tier and any nation’s aircraft, in either AIR SB or AIR RB—I’d love to see how you achieve your “scores” in AIR SIM.
Frankly, I don’t even want to mention your AIR RB stats. Without hundreds of hours of flight time, none of your opinions hold any weight. Similarly, why do you need experience with aircraft from all nations? Because without it, you don’t even understand the aerodynamic characteristics of the Su-27. What qualifies you to discuss whether it’s a player skill issue or if the game is genuinely unbalanced? If you think the MiG-29 and Su-27 are stronger simply because REDFOR players lack skill, then why not try flying them yourself?
Moreover, in both AIR SIM and AIR RB, the reality is quite the opposite. Many US players, despite using aircraft with superior performance, achieve results that are comparable to Russian planes. The truth is that a lot of US players lack skill. I’m not a REDFOR main, but I’ve played all the REDFOR aircraft up to the top tiers, so I have a very clear understanding of what they’re complaining about.
Besides, this is just a game. If you think balance doesn’t matter and all players switch to BLUFOR, with no enemies in AIR SIM, then who are you fighting against? The air itself?
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i will never understand why you bring up kill ratio of someone else. when your kill rations are worse than mines and you dont even play ground R.B
fking bullshit, The Su-33’s AIR SIM BR is 13.3, while the F-15A’s BR is 13.0—yet another example that shows you don’t actually play AIR SIM. Moreover, the Su-33’s situation is clearly worse because AIR SIM BRs rotate. The F-15A’s 13.0 BR means that in a 12.0 to 13.0 BR rotation in SIM, the F-15A can completely dominate this BR range. However, the Su-33, no matter the BR rotation, always falls within the 13.0 to 14.0 and 13.3 to 14.0 range and constantly has to face ARH missile.
This is yet another obvious example that you don’t play AIR SIM and are unaware that its BR system is different from AIR RB.
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crazy thats why i was able to down 10 planes with and get 7 assist right? Do you honesntly think IGAF about what you people say? I literally had someone that is ex U.S Air Force who watched me play the game over discord lol. I don’t need nor care for your validation kid.
imagine caring about KD in a game where the moment a plane comes out there are people in fully G/E or Premium vehicles when you’re stock with no chaff. Image me actually giving a damn You can’t even do A.C.M with the mouse in this game.
because this is the only game ever made with a SU-27 right? Surely there are NO OTHER GAMES on this planet that has the SU-27 in it right? bro stfu lol.
Because when people fly at me in a head on in a SU 27 ( which btw the guy that was watching me on discord saw happen ) i start to wonder whats going through these peoples heads, or the SU 34 pilots that somehow keep flying at ocean level on denmark somehow thinking multi pathing is going to save them from a aim 120b or the people who don’t know what notching is? All of which something i’ve seen less than 10 mig 29 / su pilots do.
Oh no they aren’t and they never will be
thats why this thread was made right? oh wait remind me whats the name of it again?
From sim it seems red for players are trying to to fly like they are still fighting phantoms in mig 21s ( meanwhile i just watched a guy in a F-15E teamkill someone in sim when he was landing lol… :D )
lol
so did you not see where i typed that? i just didnt type it in order. lol
Indeed, War Thunder isn’t the only game in the world with the Su-27. I don’t even want to bring up DCS because someone will inevitably start saying, “DCS isn’t realistic either,” and so on. However, in DCS, when discussing only BFM , the F-16C Block 50 has no advantage against the Su-27 in a one-circle fight and only holds an advantage in a two-circle fight under specific airspeeds.
War Thunder doesn’t simulate the Su-27’s central lifting body aerodynamics well, causing the Su-27 to have extremely high drag and poor lift. Just as it also falls short in replicating the aerodynamics and controllable angle of attack of the F-14 compared to the F-14B in DCS. In War Thunder, the F-16C has an absolute advantage over the Su-27 in radius fight, rate fight, and thrust-to-weight ratio.
I’m not here to argue whether FC3’s aerodynamics or War Thunder’s are more realistic, but if you actually flew in DCS, you’d know you’re talking nonsense. And if you think War Thunder isn’t realistic enough, I welcome you to the GS server in DCS for a 1v1.
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Exactly. Your KD and efficiency are already so poor, yet BLUFOR still has such a high win rate in AIR SIM. Do you really think this is because of your skill if the win rate is high, or is it due to the imbalance creating a one-sided situation? If you want to argue that REDFOR players lack skill, it’s simple—try playing REDFOR with the same efficiency and see how many matches you can still win.
As for why REDFOR players don’t climb and instead stick to flying at sea level, it’s because attempting BVR engagements against BLUFOR aircraft with the Su-27SM’s poor radar and R-77 missiles is essentially a suicide mission. In BVR, the R-77 is inferior even to the R-27ER.
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You know USAF pilots? Well, I know the Queen of the England, so what? like you saide who the fking cares? But I’m sure USAF pilots must be amazed by flying the F-15E with a keyboard and mouse.
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warthunder modeled the SU 27 and the F-16 based on data from the manuals, which is why the F-16 had that G lock function on it when it was released, the F-1 does infact turn better and perform better than the SU-27 at low speeds and low altitude simply because its smaller and weighs less.
you are never going to beat the F-15C or E models hugging the floor it doesnt matter what skill you have its a stupid thing to do . the radar issue is a gaijin issue,
thats something i’ve wondered for years how they can’t get radar to work.
yes they lack skill. its no different from phantom players that would fly at ground level trying to out turn mig 21s. No matter have many time i would tell people to fly to 30,000 ft 80% of the team would fly low and die like idiots every single game.
yes i know alot of / spoken to alot of peopl e in the U.S Military that why i consistently laugh at this game ESP when gaijin makes absurd claims like the M829A3 wont make a diffrence against russian ERA, or that " they dont believe the Abrams has upgraded the hull armor of the abrams in 30+ years " or the running joke that the abrams doesn’t have a spall liner **no matter what @MiG23MLenjoyer ** continues to say. when its a known fact the entire armor array is designed to reduce spall… Im currently waiting on what gaijin is going to do with Naval, and if they will ever fix the u.s air to air missile and IR missiles from any of the bug reports.
you know a corpse? :D
“warthunder modeled the SU 27 and the F-16 based on data from the manuals”
That’s enough. The flight envelope of the F-16 is public data. If you think War Thunder is modeled according to reality, that’s up to you. When the game just updated with the F-16A, the damn F-16 could pull attack angles like those of a 4th-gen fighter like the F-22 or SU-57. This is the great War Thunder. As for the so-called G-lock, it’s because Gaijin has no idea how to model the unstable aerodynamic characteristics and fly-by-wire systems. In this game, the aerodynamic models of all planes are actually statically stable. They even model it according to the manual, which is just ridiculous. The same goes for the SU-27. No matter how much fuel you carry, can you fly it with the same maneuverability the SU-27 demonstrated at the 1980 Paris Air Show?
We’re discussing AIR SIM, no one cares about your damn M829A3, but I do admit that Gaijin’s Ground RB has a serious balance issue. Maybe only Sweden can counter the Russian Federation on land. However, the fact that the U.S. has the lowest win rate by country does make me curious. Can the Abrams be worse than the Italian Centauro andAriete? The U.S. win rate being less than 32% definitely shows that most clickbait players have poor skills.
The Abrams really doesn’t have it. It’s not difficult to take a look inside an Abrams, whether it’s the earliest M1 or the latest SEP V3, none of them have it. Whoever makes the claim should provide the evidence. If you can find a picture of an Abrams with a spall liner to submit as a bug report, I’m sure Gaijin would be very willing to add it.
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