Not to mention, doesn’t it get an additional 4 IR missiles? So it can engage 3/4 of the targets an 15 can, but 1/4 more in total. Once missiles are gone, it can go radar silent and try to flank shown enemies?
I know this is SIM but this would apply to RB.
Well why? It is a fact that Abroomz is simply not a match for the Leopard 2, it’s not our fault your favorite nation is behind the times ;)
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Fr, every meaningful nation buying MBTs is choosing either K2 or Leo 2A8, there really aren’t that many 1st world Abrams customers anymore
Your clearly ignoring blue side had its own weapons added to compete, Aim-9m, aim54 etc
For once I agree with Baltic entirely lol.
So, I came across these, and the performance of the R-77 seems to be neutered.
The Flight model, and radars as well.
Especially on the Mig-29Smt (which has the incorrect engines apparently).
Leaving politics aside, this has basically everything to do with logistics. There’s few meaningful differences between them besides your logistics chain needed. Whoever shoots first is still winning.
And what is the most important factor of any conflict?
Logistics.
There is no reason for anyone besides americans to use the Abrams because it simply doesn’t make any sense to operate a tank with a completely different engine to something like an MTU diesel (used in most NATO MBTs) with different parts (requires a factory or heavy import costs for operators overseas) and with a differing need for crew training
And who’s the best logistically prepared nation on earth, by a wide margin? The U.S.
Which is why it hasn’t changed lol.
A great tank which has the logistics needed to back it up. The tank is great for what it is and who’s using it.The Leo is great if your logistics aren’t great and you don’t feel you’ll be able to maintain a tank as well. It operates more independently.
The crews and tank performance are still absolutely within stones throw of each other and that’s mostly what has determined these purchases if we leave geo politics and stuff out of it and try to compare in a vacuum.
Dance on sartt all you want, by no means in the Leo some tank set apart. They’re relatively the same. It will still be first shot and who’s crewing it who comes out on top. Most nations don’t have a $2T+ defense budget and logistics to put boots on ground anywhere in the world in meaningful numbers in 48hrs( I think, or 72c can’t remember).
Not like putting t60’s and 70’s vs an Abrams in desert storm. These decisions are mostly logistics based.
This completely ignores the issue that logistics, esp for user nations that aren’t a manufacturer, include production & shipment times for replacement parts, not just supplying the vehicles with fuel and ammunition. If you’re in Europe, you’d much rather have your main logistic hub be at all times near you (Germany, in case of the Leopard 2), instead of over the ocean.
US is great logistically when it comes to keeping its own armed forces afloat, indeed, but the same can’t be said for other Abroomz users who have to rely on US for part shipments as they pretty much do not make spare parts themselves.
Bonus point: Germany/KMW really likes giving out production licenses for non-major parts of the Leopard 2, so user nations can actually set up manufacturing lines for spare parts at home and only have to rely on Germany for the biggest, most complex components (Poland for example handles like 60% of Leo 2 parts all by itself, some other nations deal with even larger percentages, like Spain, Greece and Switzerland).
Dance on sartt all you want
The entire point of (at least) my comment was to make fun of sartt and how he’s been using the “well ur kit’s worse IRL so suck it lol” argument whenever he’s been defending US’s “superiority” in WT ;P
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If youre about RD-33 serie 2/3 - only difference from standart RD-33 - improved engine lifetime. Higher thrust came only for Sea versions like 29K
That was the SU I was talking about, but if I recall, they just fixed that.
Su-27SM didnt had wrong either - we might have mid-production version.
They say, oswald isn’t the same as real life, well F-15 has 0.86 like studies say. F-15 is overperforming, no one fixes it.
Su-27 has 0.54 oswald now, ‘huge buff’ etc. Actually all the bad Soviet fighters have 0.5-ish. Elementary pattern recognition.
A tech mod also looked at the F-15 chart and claims buffing engine RPM like 2% gives +1-2 DPS.
4%
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Don’t you have some dumpster fire of an American vehicle like the F-104 to go and say it was the best USA fighter ever? (Irl it killed almost all its pilots)
Who ever reported this (sartt) is hilarious