So L27A1, the actually weakest shell at top tier, on a tank with one of the worst sustained fire rates at top tier, is fine?
But the A2 rounds (second highest pen) with the fastest reload and best sustained rate of fire at top tier isnt?
and why is the Abrams suffering so much, no one has actually given me a reason for why its apparently DOA, when by all accounts, its one of the best top tier MBTs in the game?
Look I get it, you dont actually have a good answer and so you swap to attacking me.
You keep moving the goalpost lol, maybe that has something to do with it as well.
You said M829A2 one shots everything. Guess what, so do most top tier darts including L27A1.
Also L27A1 isn’t the weakest top tier dart anymore depending on what we count as top tier, given that BTA4 exists at 12.3.
Except it doesnt.
due to the low pen, it has terrible spall. Its not uncommon for it to not one shot.
Who’s moving the goalpost now? thats 12.3 not 12.7.
but if you want to include 11.7 to 12.7, then fine, L27A1 is the second weakest shell at top tier.
But even then, M1A2 is a LOWER BR than the Oplot. Why?
I have used both and the L27A1 spalls just fine, not the best but more than enough to one shot most of the time.
Again you just aren’t very good at high tier ground, maybe it’s time to accept that.
and maybe US mains should accept that they dont need massive buffs? That they are just bad at the game
I dont admit Im good at ground, its my least enjoyable gamemode, but we can all agree that the US maisn are being stupid and unreasonable.
Ive been asking for reasonable fixes. Like CR2 ready rack fixes
US mains ahve not
Or do you think that M1A2 should be 12.0 with A4 rounds?
Gaijin bothched the model of the Abrams and the bug fix should be implemented and that goes for any MBT that they screwed up Idk why you keep bringing up special treatment, you’re the one arguing against it because it would buff it.
Saying US mains are just bad when (no offense), but you don’t really have the greatest stats yourself, plus you don’t own anything really outside of UK so like I said you don’t have any credible merit.
Then tell that to OP who is asking for the Sep V3 or V4 with A4 rounds being added before anyone else even gets an equal to the M1A2. Probably also wants it to be a lower BR
I still wonder why Click Bait is at 12.0.
Sepv3 should have been added with the 2a7s plain and simple, but yes, v4 with a4 is not needed.
Honestly all the 12.0 Abrams are weird since most of their counterparts are 12.3.
I would have somewhat understood it if they kept the M1A1 HCs at 12.0 if they still had M829A1 instead of M829A2 to create a sense of progression, but as it currently is it’s just weird.
Right and what about other nations still waiting for Sep V2 or 2A7 equivalents?
Right now things like HC or CB basically are SEP equivalents with worse thermals but sit 0.7 BR lower.
If 2A5 can be at 12.3, those two can as well.
I wonder why this isn’t talked about more to be honest.
Idk why gaijin gave the m1a1 m829a1 for no reason, it should of stayed at 11.0 with standard m829
You mean everyone is still waiting for a 2a7/122 counterpart. The sepv2 is not in the same category as those two tanks lol.
It at least has equal firepower if not better firepower and superior mobility.
Sure it doesnt match it in survivability. But 2/3 is better than most nations, and it doesn’t just match it in those 2 points, its potentially better at the moment, most are maybe 1/3, a few can be argued to be at 0/3
still doesn’t beat around the fact that Gaijin added the 2a7/122s while everyone else is left in the dust.
It’s absolutely not better at the moment. Pretty much the only thing that the majority of the top tier playerbase is agreeing upon is that the 2A7s/122s have been easily the best top tier MBTs for the last 2 years.
And that hasn’t changed with this update.
Dont crop the quote.
Firepower. A2 with 5 second reload vs DM53/L55 with 6 second reload. Debate to be had which is better. Id lean towards the reload advantage
Mobility. Abrams is around 68 kph? vs 61/62 for the Leoaprd 2A7, whilst also having a higher HPT, unless im missing something, that gives the Abrams better mobility too.
ill just chip in and say that while the vehicles themselves might have stayed the same, the T-80 autoloader buff changed the dynamic a bit. 2A7s/122s cant outreload it now even wiht ace crew.
fair, I kind of misread the first part.
I would argue that it was only a significant change for the T-80Us, since the BVM with 3BM60 still has a 6.4 second reload. that 0.1 second reload advantage that the Leo 2s had in the past with an expert crew wasn’t a very significant one.