US ground vehicle tree on top of the tree, needs a buff

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Fantastic!

Too bad APFSDS makes up 95% of what’s fired at you, making your argument entirely void.

I was being generous by only suggesting 12.3, 12.0 would be fine as well given that it’s just a glorified T-72B3.
It’s got awful mobility, mediocre gun handling, atrocious firepower and armour that only situationally works when fighting premium andys in their Click-Baits or 2A4M CAN’s.

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just thought i should let everyone know its not just top tier that suffers from poor balancing

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there is though
there is an accepted bug report on it
and it should be 250-300mm volumetric armor, which would massively reduce spalling from hits there, and stop autocannons

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it does not

the in game “DU” armor is copied from swedish trials results of an export M1A2 without DU and with an armor package explicitly worse than the domestic DU armor

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Sure, I am biased, but I’m not wrong.

I never said i opposed this, as long as the abrams will receive it’s shells, fix it’s armor, and reload time, then id be happy for you to have that addition aswell.

Because the u.s goes through proper training and goes through months and months of training + combat scenarios? The fact that even on an aced crew it gets 5 seconds of a reload rate is enough of a nerf itself

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Too bad Relict has decent kinetic protection + the T-90M has a generous spall liner layout, making your point a flagrant downplay to its protection.

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no it doesnt at all

its highest BR IFV is the M3A3 bradly which is already bad at its 10.0 BR

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Then autocanon tank.

HSTVL?

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that is very much not an IFV and doesnt really play as an autocannon due to the low ammo load

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Well then that would sound like a good addition

What IFV does the US have that could be higher?

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I know, but realistcally speaking whats the difference?

High mobility, autocanon.

Does the US have anything that is appropriate for the BR that is actually an IFV?

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The thing gets one-tapped by APFSDS just like anything else.

Besides, War Thunder ain’t about who’s got the best armour, it’s about Mobility + First hit kill/cripple, and the T-90M is terrible at that.

  • Mobility? Awful.
  • Gun handling? Mediocre at best.
  • Firepower? Literal worst of any 12.7 in the entire game.
  • Armour? Only works against clueless players.
  • Survivability? Complete RNG, usually you die/get crippled in a single shot.

It’s also significantly worse than the T-80BVM and there’s no reason why you’d ever want to pick a T-90M over a T-80BVM, let alone the absurdity of the T-90M being the same BR as something like a Leopard 2A7V or Strv 122.

Even a basic M1A1 at 11.7 is a far more versatile and superior vehicle to the T-90M, yet that gets to sit a FULL BR below it.

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The T30’s 155mm APCBC has ~100mm less penetration than the 120mm T34. You’ve cherry picked tanks here.
American heavies of that BR revolve around turret armor and huge guns. Also if you’re struggling to kill a Ferdinand, I think you’re doing something wrong.

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they could fix TOW 2B, but even then it could stay at its current BR

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XM30

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Yeah, a vehicle that is incapable to withstand Russia's 2nd best round on its weak cheek is better than a T-90M. :sob:

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Holy slop.

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I second this

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Is there a prototype for that already? Or are they still stuck in procurement purgatory?

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I’ve said it a million times before: ‘Poor/inexperienced players can be easily identified by them overrating the importance of armour.’

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Genuinely don’t care who you are anyways, it’s not like you’re an eminence lmao. Get an ego check for self-quoting while being a John Doe.