use statshark, it has a better dataset
this is december stats
Mostly because the M1A2T is currently played by the more skilled multi nation/chinese players that got to unlock it the quickest.
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Both of these are essentially the same tank (hell I would argue that the SEPv2 is slightly better now), but the SEPv2 slightly suffers from legacy stats.
Also it’s kind of hypocritical that you argue that the US top tier MBTs shouldn’t get buffed because they are already top 2-4. Yet a month ago you were arguing that Britain should by all means get the AESA EFT because the Rafale exists, even though the normal EFT was already easily the second best top tier jet.
EDIT: hypocritical might be the wrong word, but it clearly shows the nation main bias side that you have.
EDIT 2: I disagree with demokrat, and I have called out their skill issue so many times now that I will skip that part, but I just had to point this out.
If the VT4A1 had better statistics than M1A2s that would be absolutely damning for US players
compare the 99A/WZ10001E LCT
VT4A1 is a meme tank
My guy, that specific M1A1 is only owned by a very very small group of people.
A group of people that either had to win or place high in some sort of tournament in the past (can’t remember the details). So this is hardly a reflection of how good US players are.
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Yep, so as I state in a later post in this thread, January stats will be interesting as more people will have it unlocked.
Why?
The radar on the M-Scan is crap, this is a widely accepted fact vs the increasing number of AESA equipped aircraft, it was only getting worse and worse. The fixed radar was needed ASAP, Germany and Italy Typhoons were NOT doing well, not even slightly, actually worse than the F-15C GE before buffs iirc. So unless you are saying that Britain should not have gotten an AESA Typhoon just because we rarely fight against the Rafale in ARB would have just been unfair and for the record, I was actually fighting against other significant buffs for the Typhoon such as AMK, and instead advocating for smaller sidegrade stuff like Litening V to just help distinguish it from the existing airframes, but a radar upgraded was needed. Heck, I wouldnt have even had issue if it was CAESER instead of ECRS.
Nov 2025:
and btw, the F-15C GE is still doing slightly better than the German AESA Typhoon.
So with regard to the Typhoon, I was specifically asking for its major flaw to be rectified, the radar. it was. Would have liked for them to have give a damn and fixed some of the other bits like the cockpit, but alas, they didnt.
In this thread they are asking for significantly better shells added in a vacuum, have I ever asked for the Typhoon to ONLY recieve ASRAAM or Meteor?
They asked for BR drops? Have I ever asked for the Typhoon to be a lower BR?
So, no its different. Like how most of my efforts regarding the Challenger 2 these days is getting the ready rack fixed. That is an actual issue, an actual “nerf” that has been singluarly applied to Britain for no apparent reason.
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It’s the Youtube Cup M1A1
I think around 3 people have it(?), Oxy is one of them (edit: possibly not I think he has 2A5, this is ancient history)
yeah its a pretty horrible example for stats
player skill ig, thats what you guys always say
Yep, so if the usually pretty bad F-15 players are still doing better than the usually quite capable Italian players, then you know the F-15 is actually doing fine
“GER/ITA/UK should get the AESA EFT because the normal EFT is only the second best jet in game and the Rafale beats it.”
and
“US should get the SEPv3 because the SEPv1/2 is only the second (or 6th if you don’t group the 2A7s/122s into one) best MBT in game and the 2A7s/122s beat it.”
These are exactly the same arguments. If you agree to one and argue against the other it just shows the nation main bias side.
I think the Abrams are mostly in a good spot, although the SEPv3 should have been here already along with the other 2A7 counterparts.
Hell if they really wanted to make the SEPv2 an interesting addition they should have introduced it with trophy. It is criminal that it took 2 years for the SEPv2 to get something to make it actually unique, and it likely only got it now so that Gaijin could still claim that the best M1A2 is in the US tree.
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or, most people are outright avoiding the F-15C GE because of all the bad press its gotten, and the only people that play it are more experienced players who want it
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Bring the elder WT Scrolls, let the truth be told (?)
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Please quote me where I said that?
Where did I state the Sep V3 shouldnt be added? I dont think it will change much, but Ive never said it shouldnt be added. Ive only ever stated that the M1A2s already in-game shouldnt get better shells in a vacuum and the reload buff they got was BS. Also most of the Abrams are under BRed still.
Unless you think the M1A2 at 12.0 should get A4 shells because “it had them IRL” and not move BR would be fair?
the base M1A2 likely wouldn’t get A4 since it predates that round by like a decade or 2.
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and, the same can be said for the German Typhoon. I know a lot of people couldnt be bothered to grind it just for the radar upgrade and a lot of people are waiting until it gets new missiles.
So those playing the AESA Typhoon are also probably a relative minority. this tracks because all of the M-Scan typhoons have significantly more played games than the AESA Typhoons. Though January stats will be better to compare
Then whichever did, do you really think that the M1A2 with 5 second reload + A4 shells + massive armour upgrades would be remotely fair at 12.7? Let alone the fact they also want a BR drop for it too.
not the same. AESA typhoons had generally quite good reviews by major CC’s
the F-15 GE was getting justifiably dogged on by pretty much everyone
and? Most CCs are idiots imo.
That doesnt change the general fact that many dont want to go to the effort of grinding an identical aircraft just for the new radar with all RP/SL that is involved with that and then spade it, which is a real chore at top tier. I nearly didnt bother myself, but decided to commit to it.
I see most F-15C GEs flying in perfectly straight lines, down the centre of the map, spamming missiles at 60km and then eating 4 different missiles from 4 different directions without even trying to defend. They are a free kill every single time I face one. Is that a bad aircraft, or just bad players?
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they arent wrong about the Typhoon AESA being better than the F-15C GE. and like it or not what they say does influence what people do especially if almost all of them are saying the same thing
this just shows that its a handful of exceptional players propping the stats up if true