US ground vehicle tree on top of the tree, needs a buff

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Now explain this to me. Why does the American team have better respawn and kill stats than the Chinese team, but their win rate is 8% higher?

Funnily enough, I had this exact discussion with somebody else the other day. You don’t really feel the top speed difference in the Merkava because it’s not that easy to reach the 72kph in the later, heavier Abrams. Furthermore, the accel is very similar to the naked SEP. The SEP v.2 with tusk in fact accel slower than the Merkava IV and has worse HP/T. On top of it, the Merkava IV can reverse at 64kph with the same engine power/transmission output as forward mobility.

The very small difference with the round isn’t something you’re going to notice between the two. From there, the Merkava has better turret armor for hull down, LWS(if not SEP v.2), more smoke, APS, IRST with HE shell to shoot down helicopters, much better damage model(no turret basket), better side armor against autocannons, and the ability to rotate the turret 360° without being blocked by the engine.

Honestly, the only thing really noticeable in the Abrams is the -10° of depression versus the Merkava -7°. It blocks a few sniping spots but most spots are still perfectly usable.

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Too few battles to make statistics.

Yes but it’s very boring bringing out only abrams instead of some more fun vehicles like the hstvl, i also have 2 anit air and 2 cas.

I can understand that. It’s not exactly like the Merk is a well played tank. I do think that the Accel, when spaded, makes a difference - though that’s just the Unladen SEP or standard A2, not the V2. I also think the Depression is to be noted- -3 degrees is a big difference with some of the sniping spots in game, I’ve come to realize.

I also think their is something to be said about survivability. The Merk, having its engine in the front, means that if it gets shot in the front, it’s dead. It can’t manuever or move away, unlike the Abrams. I’m not terribly experienced so maybe I am wrong - but I definitely feel like that is a factor not worth diminishing.

Overall I’d consider them tanks of equal level because where the one struggles I feel like the latter excels, generally. So, again, not drastically better, but more level eyed in my eyes if that makes sense.

200k battles is more than enough to generate an opinion… Even if every player has 100 battles on it, that is 2,000 people who have the tank, which is not an insignificant number.

Engine in front can also be an advantage during side shots, not even kidding. Because it put forward all of your mobility(Driver-Engine). So a hit in the back will just go through without doing anything as long as you don’t take full ammo load. Meanwhile the Abrams will be immobilized by any kind of side hit not center of mass.

One thing to note about the Merkava turret armor, here’s pretty much how it look like against 3BM60 at 500m. Only reliable pen is inside the red box. Yes, even the upper mantlet can stop incoming rounds, which I think makes it the only tank in the game capable of doing that. It’s that good to peak hills against Russia.

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That’s the thing, having played the two tanks a lot. I feel like the Merk IV does everything a little bit better than the Abrams. It’s a better sniper, and a better brawler. It also has more soft tools like APS to survive. The Abrams was better before turret basket + the Merk had Leopard 2 reload speed time. But since turret basket + merk having 5-second reload, it’s pretty yikes.

I think that’s fair. Does the Merk have a turret basket? If not, do you think that affects performance?

I think, in my head, I see the Merk Mk. 4 as it arrived on release compared to the Abrams on release. Obviously it’s different now. But oh well. Not much that can be done.

It doesn’t have one. It has a sort of big pump near the turret ring now but nothing as handicapping as the turret basket. And yeah, it affects survivability a lot. Like, any hit in the Abrams right now will kill your turret, forcing you to retreat. And if it goes through and wreck your engine, you’re a goner.

In the Merkava, you’ll lose your engine for sure but your tank will often be combat effective following that, allowing you to just kill the guy now reloading. That also mean that a side shot center of mass can let’s say snatch your loader and commander, but your gunner will still be up, rotate the turret, and give you the kill that way. Meanwhile in the Abrams, your turret is stuck.

You really feel the lack of a turret basket in the Merk IV, like really really.

You can still make informed adjustments. The documents were not leaked to Gaijin. They were openly leaked internal communications. THEY mistakenly made them public. It is what it is. Their intent to keep them secret doesn’t trump the fact THEY leaked them whether accident or not. You can’t leak a document as a gov representative then tell people they didn’t see it! Information was not stolen nor illegally used. THEY made a mistake we should all capitalize on…for the betterment of the game.

Nope:

Sep v2 got lws last update :)

Sep v2 got 30 smokes last update :)

See and I think IF Gaijin implements it into the Merkava, then that will be a swift kick in the groin to the Merk and quickly put it back on par with the Abrams. But again, big IF their.

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That’s why I said LWS advantage if not SEP v2 :)

Yes, and that’s such a welcome addition. They also reload super fast for some reason which is amazing. But Merkava IV still got more(single shot smoke mortar with 30 smoke goes brrr) not that it matters a lot by that point. And other abrams still suffer with only 3 smoke pop

Fully agreed, that will probably be one of the biggest nerf they can do to it.

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Yeah sep v2 pops 4 smokes at a time so definitely an disadvantage to the merkava but i really notice the difference when having more smoke

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The SEP v.2 additions really made me like the tank again. It’s not the best, but it’s a fun tank capable of putting the hurt. There’s also something I actually really really like with the SEP v.2, it’s the CROW. If you keybind a button to only select machine gun, you can take control of it and scan without exposing the tank at all. It has gen 2 thermal and excellent zoom. It’s a gimmick but I got a lot of kills thanks to that.

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Only if you have skill issues.

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Remove the turret basket nerf and you more or less fix the issue. Why that was added at all was a massive misstep by Gaijin.

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You have to be careful with that word. Some people don’t believe it exists lol. Not me though. I agree with you for once lol.

It’s pretty obvious what is wrong with this picture bro, one vehicle is played by mostly USA mains and one is played by mostly a much better player base in terms of player skills. Not only that US mains are bad at the game, they also have bad social skills since most of them are permanently chat-banned bro

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the answer you were looking for was that the tank is carried by Russian cas so its winrate is higher

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