Italy RB BR’s:
Very disappointing machine at its current BR. Just compare it to the M10 which is almost superior in everyway besides explosive filler. This would also give this BR a decent answer in uptiers against KV-1’s.
I forgot he Chinese IS-2 as well but since they’re the same tanks they should also move.
Étendard is not beating a slatted sabre in a dogfight, lol
It doesn’t matter if the CL-13 is undertiered or not, it still beats the crap out of the Étendard being 9.0 right now.
the Étendard isn’t ending the IAR-93 fight early, the IAR-93 is immediately pushing the Étendard’s speed down without giving it a gun solution.
the Étendard’s only turning performance is instantaneous, you want sustained? that’s what the 10.3 one is for.
Alphajets are not “comparable”, they flat out out-turn the Étendard.
doesn’t matter 2. turnfights are entirely optional and the MiG-17 can opt not to do that
doesn’t matter 2. same as above
doesn’t matter
maybe, but still a better fighter
have you played these aircraft?
doesn’t matter 2. instantaneous turn isn’t a magic key to win every fight
doesn’t matter 2. only instantaneously
same thing i said about swift
considering a vehicle being undertiered right now doesn’t matter as we’re talking about BR-peers, no.
i know how to use the flaps, the problem is that you don’t seem to actually play the vehicle, and don’t realise that the plane is useless past two turns and the instantaneous rate is its only real gimmick.
France RB BR’s:
Same reasons as my US version above. It’s a seal clubbing tank.
the problem is that you think 100% of shots fired will hit the moment the étendard gets nose-on, but the truth is that getting shot is completely optional and the enemy plane can opt to not let you shoot them, which is why forcing 1c and using your instant turns won’t win you every fight
France RB BR’s:
Same reason as the Sherman V and other M4A4.
i’m not denying that the étendard is a good plane in its own right, i just struggle to see it being 9.0 instead of 8.7
France RB BR’s:
For similar reasons as the M24.
and concerning the sabres being undertiered, this BR range of jets is ironically well enough balanced that moving a bunch of sabres up will just straight up break the balance and matchmaker of that region.
the sabres really are not that much of an issue at their current BRs.
Again, you are heavily underestimating Etendard’s turn performance with flap usage, and I didnt say it wins I said the F-86F-40 is not better by a giant gap of performance so you can still outfly the other guy and win.
It does. You can’t compare to undertiered aircraft. That is disingenuous.
There is no significant difference. They more or less are the same FM but with Magics on the higher BR plane. They have different engines but its more or less not changing anything.
It does matter, and I’m not really going to move forward with this conversation until we address this. Gaijin downtiered the very best (the most meta, the best) planes at 8.7-9.3, those being the F-86 variants and MiG-15/17 variants, because they (and apparently only they, despite again being the BEST jets at their old BRs) were “suffering” against F-104s at 9.3. They have never fixed this nor have they even went fully forward with compressing the game further and downtiering all the minor nation jets such as Swifts, Venom, G.91s, whatever at 8.3-9.0 that were not also given this complimentary downtier away from the F-104.
You are attempting to compare the Etendard to the MiGs and F86s that are CURRENTLY at its BR when these are NOT its peers and they have moved lower. The MAJORITY of these plane’s peers are still higher battle ratings. The F86s and MIGs simply need to receive a +0.3br change to fix this.
Not only have I spaded the Etendard, but I have also spaded every aircraft we have mentioned today, full stop. The entire list. At a high performance level as well if that is your next question
Edit: Actually, one aircraft I have not played, IAR.
i won’t be going forward with this either until you address that you are wrong, so that’s that i guess.
The pack Tigers are 5.7 and have better armor than the tech tree version.
90% of the time I shoot it the gunner and transmission get knocked out.
usually when people are right about something they can address what the other side is saying and break down as to why they are wrong;
when people are wrong they usually try to make up excuses as to why they can’t explain, such as what you’re doing. Please address what I have said here:
I have shot it plenty of times only to kill commander
Yes it’s on of the best TDs!! Let’s see it has a really good cannon and… uhhh… and uhhhhhh and the uhhhhh
BMPT ist still OP after the BR change. I had several 10.7 Battles yesterday. Some of them had more than 5 BMPT at the CAP zone, waiting. My reaction was - lets leave here and mark it as another wasted battle
If Leopards 2A4 at 10.7, max BR want to have fun again the only way is to move BMPT up to 12.0, otherwise DM23 does exactly nothing to them. The game is destroyed at 10.7 to 11.7
I feel like every high tier harrier can go down 0.3 BR easily.
The RWR of GR7 (T.10 is the same but BR/environment wise not so much trouble) always gives me a headache, everything is tagged as PD, smh
Agree.
I disagree with the IKV 103 change in removing the available ammunition. I would prefer that the IKV 102 (earlier version of the 103) is added as a foldered vehicle in TD line with only the HE and HEAT round to fill the 3.3 GRB BR slot in the TT. I enjoy using the IKV 103 in higher BRs with the HEAT-FS round and this change essentially makes the vehicle less flexible in most in game engagements. If it is seen as problematic in the game balance at 4.0, it can be moved up in BR 4.3-5.3 and given the HEAT FS as a rank 2 mod to compensate instead. The round can do significant damage to vehicles well above 4.0 and it can be disposed of easily by most tanks regardless of BR. It still depends on mobility, good ranging, and concealment to be most effective at a higher BR.