you know why Israel had HUGE YELLOW TRIANGLES on their Mirages? Because Egypt had the same planes when both countries fought.
You heard about Russian invasion on Ukraine? both sides use same plane types
Ever heard of Ethiopia vs Erythrea war when Su-27s fought vs Mig-29s? planes have radar with emission near identical to a point where even modern RWRs can’t tell them apart
Ok, maybe I need to take a step back from y claim, and focus on the real issue with Sim:
Such a change wouldn’t be necessary (or less necessary) if the aircraft setup would matching the same aircraft against each rather the exception rather than the norm.
Yes, it can happen, the current famous conflict being one example, but it is certainly not the rule.
in current conflicts that’s a norm. there are only few countries making modern jets and chance that same planes will fight is actually quite high.
And even if they didn’t like in vietnam there was standing order to VID target before shooting because electronic IFF is not 100% fault proof - unlike in WT
RWR IFF may be welcome given the matchmaking that we have but the RWR Frequency Detection change is just a huge step backwards.
About the SPO-10 if someone wants to see the source of that:
Possible, but not with same bands.
There is no “rule” to the “issue” of same aircraft on both sides of a conflict. This is why aircraft have camouflages and roundels since the WW1. To clarify the operator. This was superseded by radar IFF for confirming identities beyond visual range.
This is
not an issue, because it is realistic. You already have nameplates as a crutch in the game, more than enough.
irrelevant to the issue of RWR systems being simplified and arcade-fied in the ONE MODE where realism should reign supreme.
That’s how it should be. The waves change their frequency when reflected and even along the way
RWR just can’t identify them.
IRL there was an issue with the same planes fighting on both sides and you can even see a skin for a plane in WT which had triangles to make its identification easier
not to mention that IFF in game works for every plane. you can have WW1 biplane and it will have IFF response when interrogated.
That’s already unrealistically good even for modern standards
what are you talking about
the entire issue is that they’re changing the RWRs in SB to be able to pick up all frequencies, and some of them even filtering out allied aircraft (??? wtf)
The Harrier GR.7 avionics manual does show the RWR identifying friendly and hostile emitters. The manual doesn’t explain how those labels are determined, but the simplest answer would probably be that the threat library is programmed with the expected friendly and hostile emitters before the mission. As others have said though that would not necessarily work when both sides use the same radars - if that is indeed how it actually works.
have you read the changelog?
it clearly states that now in SB you can have two identical planes on each side and my RWR will magically know that Mig-29 on my team is friendly and EXACTLY IDENTICAL Mig-29 on enemy team is not.
How?!
you can program to filter out types that you know can only be on your side but it can’t tell two identical radars apart based on what roundel is painted on a plane.
I misunderstood the message.
that would work fine in the situation of NATO vs WP, which is why that was a functionality, but that only works if there are no enemy planes with the same radar as the ones set to be filtered by the threat library. Otherwise you will filter out enemy emissions as well.
Maybe depends on radar, like a f16, mig29
I plugged that into GPT and it gave me the rough translation (for anyone interested)
Here’s the translation of the provided text:
- TACTICAL-TECHNICAL DATA
3.1. The station provides:
a) detection of aircraft radiation by radar interception within the frequency range (from fₐ to fᵦ);
b) reception of radiation signals in the 360° zone in azimuth and ±45° in elevation. The reception zone is divided into 4 sectors: 2 front and 2 rear;
c) warning the crew with light and sound signals when the aircraft is irradiated from any direction;
d) signal sensitivity of the station on any of the 4 channels is at least 35 dB/mW under normal conditions;
d) reception of radar signals with a duration of 0.2–5 microseconds and a repetition frequency of 1000–8000 Hz, operating both in the “Search” mode and in the “Capture” mode. The station should not respond to single pulse noise as well as to signals with a repetition frequency below 650 Hz;
e) continuous operation for 24 hours.3.2. When the station operates in the “Capture” mode, the SPO-10 equipment generates a signal to automatically release chaff and activates it:
- for fighters when irradiated from any direction;
- for bombers when irradiated from the rear hemisphere.
3.3. The station’s readiness time for operation is no more than 30 seconds after power source activation.
3.4. The station’s power consumption from an alternating current network with a voltage of ~115 V ±4% and a frequency of 400 Hz ±5% does not exceed 16 VA, and from a direct current network with a voltage of 27 V ±10% - 16.5 W.
3.5. The station’s guaranteed service life is at least 5 years with an average shelf life of 2 years in warehouse conditions.
3.6. The station’s operability is controlled both on the ground and in flight using its own radar reflection equipment.
“In Simulator Battles, RWR will now detect all radars and ARH with overlapping frequency ranges, regardless of the type of signal, as in Realistic Battles. For example, SPO-10 previously could not detect radiation in PD modes, but now can. The Friend or Foe (IFF) function will also work for RWRs capable of identifying exact radars, which means the detected radiation from allies will not be shown on the indicator of affected RWRs.”
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I don’t remember asking for SB to turn into RB…
Still waiting for the “Research points for other nation” :-(