Unfairness of stock SPAA loadouts

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Should all SPAA’s receive their best anti-air armament stock?

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Its not new that Gaijin likes to make playing stock vehicles as hard as possible - mainly this affects MBT’s and top tier jets but it also includes some SPAA’s. The main problem is that it only includes SOME SPAA’s. Unlike MBT’s that all use HEAT stock, more than a half of top-tier SPAA’s have their best armament available in stock and some have to suffer with severely underpowered missiles for their B.r.

What makes this issue even worse is the fact that Gaijin recently added free vehicles and all of them come stock. Free SPAA’s right now are the main counter to CAS for some nations and it gives some them a huge advantage in air defence.

For example US team that wasn’t blessed by Gaijin with some foreign OSA has a Roland as its main SPAA and it comes with Roland 1 missile stock - it has only 6 km range, abysmal speed and maneuverability.
OSA on the other hand has its best missile - more than 10km range, a lot of speed and more consistent pull.

It makes no sense that SPAA’s that got placed on a specific B.r based on their best missile gets a missile that is a lot worse and it’s expected to compete with SPAA’s that are at their best.

I suggest giving all SPAA’s all it’s available missiles stock since Gaijin can’t make it same for all vehicles like with HEAT for MBT’s. It shouldn’t be like it is right now for balance reasons.

Here is a list of SPAA's 9.0+ B.r that have a nerfed stock anti-air loadouts

US:
M247 - no RF round
Chaparral - no all-aspect missile
LAV-AD - no RF stinger
XM975 - no Roland 3 missile
NASAMS - no AMRAAM ER

Germany:
Ozelot, Gepard_1A2 - no RF stinger
FlaRakPz - no Roland 3 missile

USSR:
ZSU-23-M4 - no RF missile
2S6 - worse missile
SM-SV - only Pantsir missile stock

GB:
Rapier - worse missile
Stormer AD - no RF stinger
Sky Sabre - much worse stock missile

Japan:
All 4 SPAA’s come with best loadouts

China:
PGZ-09 - no AHEAD round
SA5 - worse missile

Italy:
All 5 SPAA’s come with best loadouts

France:
Roland - no Roland 3 missile

Sweden:
701 - much worse missile
9040C - doesn’t get RF round
ASRAD - much worse missile
NASAMS - no AMRAAM-ER

Israel:
Machbet - no RF stinger
Chaparral - no IRCCM Aim-9
Spyder - no Derby ER

Out of all 9.0+ SPAA’s about 40% are nerfed. Some nations have most of their SPAA’s nerfed in stock and some have almost all SPAA’s come with their best loadout stock.

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+1 Considering the FlakRakRad’s vt1

Mistake here, C and E is the same now without the smokeless

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+1

I think it should be applied only to the rolands as they have such a bad missile and even then, the roland 3 missile is still horrible compared to same br spaa.

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In that case, we would also need stock chaff and APFSDS at top tier

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A lot of SPAA’s already have top missile in stock. None of the top planes or MBT’s have chaff, APFSDS stock

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Yeah but playing top tier stock, especially air, is such pain

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rank 8 gets apfsds stock

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This is a terrible idea. Free SPAA shouldn’t have been added in the first place - now you want them to come effectively spaded as well?

The solution is to remove free SPAA altogether. It only exists for wallet warriors who bought their way to the top with a premium vehicle and people who didn’t even put the effort into researching the SPAA line in the first place, and will never be balanced.

It reminds me of the addition of ammunition boxes, arbitrarily and unrealistically giving all TDs/SPGs and SPAA double the ammunition without any downside. And then months later you have players whining that they should have 2 ammunition boxes, have them be replenishable at cap points, or even infinite ammunition at spawn points. It’s just absurd.

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i see absolutely zero issue with this

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The ammo box is not a bad feature but it really should be restricted to vehicles that actually need more ammunition. For example Gepard has nearly 700 rounds, it can spray all over the damn place and still not need the ammo box. And then we have turds like the Antelope which has total 4 SAMs and is forced to restock for 50 seconds after using them, or be reduced to a funny scout truck.

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lvkv 9040C literally has no functional AA capabilities stock. 10.3 AA that functions as a 7.7 AA stock. Sure, you can play as a bad IFV, but your huge radar makes hiding anywhere nearly impossible.