“no argument - switching to duel in D-Contest” - Commune kiddo variant
when you will stop going head-on and actually watch for the AIM-54 Launches, maybe you’ll have less trouble, anyway,…
cool, no argue and no duel fro D-contest, then shaming.
really commune
Bring argues next time
The F-20 has the capacity to carry more than 2 Aim-120A but can carry 4 Aim-120A and can be taken to 13.3 or 13.7 if the radar is denerfed since it has a greater range than indicated, apart from that if not. They do it can carry 4 aim-7M in combat configuration
What a feeling it is to have a plane that has better radar than the rest of the planes. Apart from that, it can actively maintain the suppression of any plane that tries to engage in BVR and if you fly low, the F-14 team falls on you, which are probably not even 1 not even 2 if not several 3 to 4 f-14s attacking with 6 active missiles, tell me what logic does it have to have a plane with great capabilities in a br that practically the only one that shoots it is another f-14 or some player with more skill than you
What about we speak of the reality in this game:
Short maps, no opportunities to Lurk around, stupid players with only 1 goal in head to go straight for mid-map (no joke).
I have about 12 years of experience in this game,… the reality is that NO ONE will ever think how to avoid the swarm.
With my experience alone, when i grinded either Mirage F.1C or Mirage 2000C S5, i can assure you that F-14’s are easy kills, but to have that chnace you need to learn things, to know things you didn’t even believed it was possible to do.
From my experience 95% of in-game players are bad to passable players,…
When i end up (from my Lurk) in a match with a 1 vs 5/6 situation and be able to shot down (ALONE) 3 to 4 aircrafts (most of which are F-14’s) then i’m perfectly aware that the problem comes from either the map(not allowing much space) or players themselves(reaching the so called “effiency of Grind” by dieing 20 times an hour, for an amount of maybe 10 to 15 kills)
That’s why i replied some hot-headed guys here, that they need to learn how to play, and how systems works, aswell as inquiring themselves what they have done wrongly since the 1st of playing this game.
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1: I agree with you about the maps, the spy maps are very small and the number of players does not improve the realistic bvr experience on that I can totally agree with you
2: Please understand that I also give shit to the F-14 because the main USA believe that their missiles are everything, the question is that in the gameplay 12.3-11.3 there are planes that cannot compete with an F-14A and less with an F-14B, planes that need height to be able to fight more effectively are forced to fly low or give up ground and position, you are always on the defensive, now I don’t deny that the AIM54 when the F-14 already kills are useless but be careful that does not mean that the radar is better than the rest of the planes and its maneuverability is almost superior to the vast majority of the br planes, mirage f1 has 2 fox 2 with IRCCM that gives it an advantage but I bet you it will never You do BVR and you always fly low so you don’t get killed and it’s simply not fun to fly low, the gameplay of War Thunder should favor whether or not BVR at medium high altitude or make that type of combat possible under different doctrines, something that the game does not simulate (editado)
3: El F-14A y su Spam Masivo jode a muchos aviones que tienen que combatir siempre en una desventaja inclusive el top tier un f-14 puede dar buena pelea la cosa es que si no los como tu dices “Malos jugadores” tendrian que aprender que es la magia de este juego, y ahora con el evento reciente se ve que el f-14 es un avion que no mrece estar en los br actualmente
The “F-20C” never existed. It may have been planned at some point, but it really didn’t exist. What did exist was 4 prototypes, 3 that flew and functioned, and one that was unfinished. The one we have ingame was the last of the 3 variants
(also the one with the famous Aim-120 mockup photo)
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Logically, since it lack both HMS and IRCCM missiles, along with a low countermeasures count, the F-20A would comfortably fit at 13.0 with the addition of 4x Aim-120As and its missing TWS radar mode.
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They cannot carry 4x Aim-7Ms, only 2, exactly how it is ingame. That specific rail can adapt Aim-120s and Aim-9s, but not Aim-7s afaik.
Goodness I’m bout to ping Shin_Kazama… well nah, he’ll find this thread anyway I’m sure :P
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Do you have any documentation of what you say to affirm that or are you just saying it because you don’t like it?
Why don’t you go do some basic research on what rails can be used with which missiles. Shouldn’t take you too long I’m sure, and I ain’t wasting my time when I need to go to bed right now (big day tmrw :D), gnight!
(If you still can’t find it by then, I’ll dive into it I guess…)
That literally changes nothing based on the message you replied to.
Im trying to understand what is exactly being said.
Are you saying that the yak141 struggles vs the f14?
The AV-8B+ is only 13.0. It has better Fox-3s, better RWR, more missiles, better radar, actually has options for long range precision CAS with stock thermals, thermal pod, precision guided weapons. I don’t see why Yak-141 would be 13.3 when the harrier is superior to a hypothetical R-77 equipped 141 and is only at 13.0.
AV-8B+ is not a supersonic fighter.
AIM-120s and R-77s are equivalents.
CAS doesn’t impact BR for air.
Harrier is inferior to Yak-141.
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numbers of players are fine, but space is not taken by players → that’s why the mess is so easy to create with some AIM-54 as shitty as they’re.
the whole situation is created by players themselves, making easy to track and fire upon a massive swarm of aircraft, with missile that will track (on terminal phase) for the most easy target they found.
the Maps size also aren’t enough, for creating that BVR experience you talked about.
Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000C S5 Magic-2’s were not having any IRCCM when i grinded them, means it’s even more easier to do what i’ve done in the past.
btw, check Gulf of Syndra incident, and notice either MiG-27 and F-14’s were going lower and lower while approaching each other - Realism on the way -
i conceed that the spam brings more uptiers for those 11.3/11.7 in order to compete those 12.3 12.7 F-14’s, yet nothing change.
an uptier is always a challenge, whetever the game.
Just push through your knowledge of the map/weapon/used tactics of your ennemy, even if it means hidding for 1/2 minutes - you’ll then see your ennemy in-range of your own wepaons and fight back.
→ Basic Strategy appliance ←
some people (not players at that point) crashes themselves when uptiered, or go straight in to die fast
→ defeatism is currently the main problem of E-Playing World ←
try to resolve and fight, you’ll have more result overall, which is even more true against a Spam, because people who spams are most likely those who don’t know how to play and mimics the 2/3 youtubers doing great.
Its a highly agile supersonic fighter. The aircraft that are at 13.0 with AMRAAM have some pretty major limitations that the F20 does not.
Like the Sea Harrier FA2 can take 4x AMRAAM, But that is no other missiles, no guns, no HMD, sub-sonic, 9.7 flight model and is so hot, its almost impossible to flare anything.
F-20 would have none of those limitations. 13.3 is the minimum I reckon
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No they most certainly are not.
Yeah try doding Fakour-90 with 6 flares/chaffs and no RWS…Also lobbie dies too fast so even not engaging in beginning will just make you do nothing in a game…sadly with this high rank you cant even kill AI since a lot of people go for them…
In my opinion these BR cahnges were biggest L this year from Gaijin, just bad and irresponsible decision and the way they made ranks is laughable and really bad.
But yeah…nothing will change