I need this!
Gaijin completely ignoring diverse Ukrainian tech by not adding it anywhere (USSR tree would do but separate tree is preferable IMO) when India/Syria/Australia/Spain/etc are having their own vehicle is SUS.
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So in the light of today’s blog with the addition of Object 292, I think its time to seriously consider adding Object 477 Molot\Nota to the Ukrainian tree.
I retract my previous comment\opinion about not needing this due to secrecy\not knowing exact stats, since the precedent was already created and similar “paper” vehicle was added to the game already. Apparently lack of data is not a problem to adding these vehicles to War Thunder so we should also use this.
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They can go to both trees really, if Ukraine came independently I can see the Nota being that vehicle
What can go to USSR tree is irrelevant, since it’s not “theoretical USSR tree additions” topic, but Ukrainian ground forces tree discussion.
Moreover, Russia has more than enough purely domestic similar projects to choose from - Object 195 was already mentioned in the blog and even Object 299 if they decide to proceed further with semi-paper.
It does have a lot of domestic projects, and that included the 477, the project was literally funded by Russia post Soviet era. Either way, I support it going to a Ukrainian tree if it happens.
And apparently that’s how “Russian money well spent at the project” look like. Rotting at Transmash junkyard, while Ukraine saved it’s own prototypes and continued development.
Once again, please do not derail this thread into “hurr durr all tanks are USSR” discussion. We heard you multiple times before - you are Ukrainian tree hater, no need to demonstrate this with every opportunity.
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I’m not a Ukrainian tree hater though, I’m guessing you think that because I have a different opinion and think there’s better alternatives to an independent implementation, anyway, I wouldn’t be against it.
Now back to the vehicle, the Object 477A1 Nota would be the right choice, I’m really interested to see how the armor will hold up on it.
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Honestly i cant tell the difference betwee each 477 due to a heavy amount of conflicting info tbh…
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Yeah, it’s not a easy vehicle to research, I’m still gathering bits here and there.
Its a pain to try and figure out each version of the vehicle as there’s so much info conflicting each other on what nation made what and what the name is for said vehicle…
Object 477 is a Soviet project and should be in the Soviet branch…
1.There are 2 “Note” objects in metal. The first is 477 A on the chassis with elements of ob.478 (T-80) and 477A 1 on the chassis type ob.434 (T-64). The first one is fully assembled, run-in, shot, that is, fully capable (it was until recently). We didn’t have time to fully assemble the second one, as the program was frozen…
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Object 195 is just a worse object477A1 the 477A1 has better top attack protection the same gun and 14 RPM
not to mention that it’s rumored that it’s just a cheap copy of object477A1
About the Note…To begin with, it would be useful for you to know-The beginning of work on the Decree of the Government of the USSR in 1991…
The project was funded by the Russian Government…
The advantage of the 477A “Molot” over the M1 Abrams in protecting the forehead of the hull was achieved by increasing the weight by 6-8 tons with a corresponding decrease in mobility, the advantage of the 477A1 “Nota” was due to the use of titanium with a corresponding increase in cost.
I.e., the solutions used in experimental machines were not suitable for serial. That is why the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stopped financing the “holiday of life”, which lasted eleven years in the KhKBM from 1982 (490A “Buntar”) to 1993 (477A1 “Nota”)…
Well, according to some reports, some work was going on until the early 2000s, and in 2002-2003 some representatives of the Kubinki arrive to Kharkiv - within the framework of an intergovernmental agreement, work was underway on 477A, that is, a Nota. And then, officially in 1995, and unofficially in 2003-2004, they were frozen. And only in 2013 it was decided to suspend the implementation of the project…
There are 2 “Note” objects in metal. The first is 477A on the chassis with elements of ob.478 (T-80) and 477A1 on the chassis type ob.434 (T-64). The first one is fully assembled, run-in, shot, that is, fully capable (it was until recently). We didn’t have time to fully assemble the second one, as the program was frozen…
TIUS was also ready for 477 and 477A, but not for 477A1 (it was not completely finished, and then the development was transferred to Lviv in general)…Developer TIUS (Yu.Aptukhin)-on KhKBM in the mid-1970s-left Ukraine in the early 2010s due to disagreement with the official policy of Ukraine and is now a citizen of Russia… Книга “Последний рывок советских танкостроителей” - Апухтин Юрий - Читать онлайн - Скачать fb2 - Купить, Отзывы - ЛитМир (litmir.me)
You write nonsense about object 195-these are different cars…
All patents for the design of the Note belong to the Russian Federation(Chassis/Turret Module/Cannon/Detection and Guidance Systems/Dynamic protection/Shells/KAZ)…etc…
Therefore, if you offer 477A1 (Paper-assembled by 50%)… to the Ukrainian branch, then offer it in the form of a modified T-64 chassis and a 6TD engine…
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Don’t know if this one’s been suggested.
BTR-60HM
with a Turkish SARP KPVT turret?
Anyways … can be a low tier SPAA?
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Could be but there is literally no point to it plus it would be wildly out of place
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Yeah, realistically speaking Ukrainian tree starts at 9.3 at air, 8.0-9.0 at ground and at 8.0 heli tree. Anything below is either an SPAA, SPG or BMP-1 of some sorts.
Given the rapid popularity of a new South-American Coalition tree proposed only a day or two ago, I think we should take notes.
I do understand that some meddling has taken place in the vote here, due to the current situation and the demographics of warthunder players, but perhaps we should look towards this other tree with a 90% plus approval rating and see what it does that we don’t.
(We = Yontzee, 100% his work)
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A harder push to the new USSR-Tree idea from Blastertitan and a detailed explanation of the idea - solving the “low tier” problem which the S.American tree doesn’t have.
The people have already shown that they are not opposed to “Coalition-Trees” there and elsewhere, so this would not be far fetched. -
A greater consideration for the special/sub trees in the suggestion - more Georgian, Kazakh, if appropriate, especially for special vehicles or the Air-Forces. Might be best for the tree, even if some sacrifices must be made.
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More graphics addressing key issues - “copy paste” percentage, what should properly constitute a “copy paste” vehicle, so it is easier for readers to digest and the issue is not continually brought up again.
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Perhaps exploration into stronger promotion of the tree and suggestion?
They have a discord community, which atleast partly explains the rapid vote-count and high approval rating (for now, until it is balanced out by wider community opinion)
All in your own time. We are all busy. Just spitballing and I don’t want to put pressure on anyone!
Thanks!
It is exam szn and I myself am busy so I would not want to impart this on anyone else, especially given the colossal work already done
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By the way, what I have proposed can be used not only for the USSR… This will allow other countries to be added to the existing trees under their own flag.
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maybe quickly name the idea, there bunch of different solutions running around and blastertitan does not have his own thread where it could be looked up
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By the way, this decision is discussed not only here. It is also mentioned in discussions about other nations. But it is quite difficult to find it…
Or perhaps… not?
72% approval is still very high. Considering that Latin America is not represented in the game at all while having decently sized community, 90% support is not surprising.
Also our usual RU forum guests are “interested” only in Ukrainian tree for obvious reason. You won’t see those usual haters in LATAM tree thread complaining about “clones”, despite the fact that the tree also contains sizeable chunk of imported vehicles from other nations.
So I don’t see the reason to change anything tbh. War Thunder will implement all nations with distinct ground forces eventually, because they already have no choice and almost reached the cap on existing nations. So we must focus on independent Ukrainian tree, not chaotically adjust because haters exist.
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We can always improve! This is just a suggestion, I am not asking for trying to force anything!
I do realise this, and that might make a percentage of the vote, but there are certainly people with genuine concerns we could rectify
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