Really doesn’t matter. Suggestions in the Other Nations section are separated by nation. If it really bothers you, title it something like “Ukrainian BMP-1 (ZU-23-2)” or “BMP-1 (ZU-23-2) UKR”.
https://fxtwitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1741077112507802037?t=3TCzNP-hUiqvK8nOQzFmAg&s=19
Improved shilka
7 Likes
I believe Object 478 is worth adding to the list, as it was competing with Object 219A, later evolved into Object 478B, then became T-80UD.
Object 219A evolved through out its development amd because Object 219AS, or T-80U.
i dont think so its just a copy of russia and germany
Isn’t that a Soviet prototype?
Both of mentioned Objects are soviet, yes.
But if we go with independent TT I believe Object 478 should go to Ukrainian TT, as it was being made by Kharkov plant, if we go by Blastertitan’s idea then I think it should be treated as a soviet vehicle, just as standart T-80UD, as it was USSR’s development and would be firstly used by USSR, the way T-80UD would be.
Personally, this would create confusion, it may have been created at KMDB, but it’s still at the end of the day a Soviet vehicle. If Ukraine was was to be implemented independently from the USSR, it shouldn’t get Soviet era prototypes, what’s the point of making them independent if they’re getting the same stuff anyway. Just seems like a coin flip on who gets a certain vehicle.
2 Likes
Well how doesnt that make sense?
Thats not a coin flip.
If you follow the independent TT route, then currently USSR branch could easily get both versions of Object 219A (1979 and 1984 ones), which I already plan to make suggestion for, while Ukrainian TT gets Object 478 (opposed to 1979 219A, which i think is unnecessary to USSR TT) and 478B or early T-80UD (opposed to 1984 219A, the one I think to make suggestion about), T-80UD with K-5 (opposed to T-80U at USSR TT) but a lower BR.
3 Likes
Still very confusing, post 1991 Ukraine has nothing to do with it.
2 Likes
My idea is that the design bureuo does.
USSR had at least 3 design bureuos inside competing with eachother on MBTs level, sure they worked for same cause and often shared ideas, design choices, its still is a competition.
Plus the only remaining Object 478 in metal is literally in Ukrainian museum.
Object 478 is unique case as it was development of that exact design bureuo that later led to T-80UD, which is the basis to basically the face of Ukraine’s own MBT, the T-84.
2 Likes
I can’t stand on it personally but I respect your opinion.
3 Likes
Read the update, thats also why it should go in that TT if independent TT is a way to go.
History of development is also a key point here.
2 Likes
I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t think it’s the right way of doing things, at the end of the day, it was still a prototype developed in the Soviet Union, or more specifically the UkSSR, not in what we see today as modern Ukraine, this is another issue why I don’t see it being independent, they share way to much.
1 Like
Shouldn’t it be based on 8x8 HX truck though? 🤔
1 Like
Well that’s your opinion. Meanwhile RU “historians” (you can look for their videos on official Uralvagonzavod channel) claim themselves that Kharkiv design bureau was totally separate entity, the place where “creative work” was done by a “dreamer” Morozov, while all the heavy lifting was done by them at Ural “pushing soviet tank mass production forward”.
Why contradict them? Kharkiv-designed tanks should clearly stay where they belong - in Ukrainian tech tree.
I understand that you strongly oppose the tech tree, but why repeat this nonsense over and over like a broken record? And yeah, I’m not buying your “I’m not against the tree, but…” excuses.
You made yourself clear on RU forum that you want all “soviet republics” added to USSR tree, so can you please stop this charade once and for all and stop derailing discussion in this thread?
Ukraine won’t be added to USSR tree. Period.
If you dislike the fact, you can always make your own suggestion thread “Ukraine subtree for USSR”, put some effort into mockup tree with vehicle list and go wild.
Considering the nature of Ukraines acquisition of the system, we don’t know anything about it right?
Neither the platform, radar, ammunition…
Interesting, but probably unnecessary as A/D is not lacking in the techtree and I can just imagine the whining if Ukraine gets the Skynex and Germany, or someone else, doesn’t.
1 Like
Yup, no real details so far or even proper photos or videos.
Well tough luck for whiners, I guess. Ukraine is the only Skynex operator at the moment so it makes sense to add the system to Ukrainian tree (or alternatively to German tree with Ukrainian flag, as defined by “operatorCountry” vehicle property)
What are you on about now? It just makes more logical sense from the games standpoint.
I understand you’re Ukrainian and want a Ukrainian tree, but that’s not how it works chief, many people want their own independent tech tree.
If Gaijin decides to do it then awesome, I wouldn’t be against it, I’d just be glad to see them in the game.
This is a suggestion and I’m allowed to voice my opinion, I’m not being rude about it, if you don’t like that then I don’t know what to tell you.
1 Like
About Skynex system : we will see how it performs and exact look later, as we did with almost everything.
2 Likes