Infact if y’all don’t want Ukraine to be part of the USSR then the ships and tanks made by Ukraine in the USSR should be all removed. And why can’t the USA and Japan be together as one tree.
Another problem: devs treat everything colectively as Soviet in Soviet TT, and prooving players why T-64/T-80UD and so on are not Russian will take too much effort and the result would be weakening of Soviet TT and playerbase, specificaly Russian, being pissed off because of “muh Russia = Soviet and Soviet = Ukraine, thus them Soviet vehicles of Ukrainian origin are Russian” type crap
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So basically a Russian tech tree, however with more unique vehicles than the original one. Why not just kinda put ukraine in the subtech tree of USSR?
Lol no, even without considering the whales, nobody is going to leave the game if Ukraine is added as its own tech tree or within an eastern europe tech tree.
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Same case if they added it as a sub tree, literally nobody would care, this sounds like the idea if you watch the Russian dev stream and listen to BVV_d, they’ll add other experimental vehicles for now.
They want to give Japan some unique vehicles to give more of an incentive to grind the tree.
• Bad Idea Grind-Wise:
It’s especially dumb grind wise on the basis of the fact the Soviet Tech Tree is already bloated, & overfilled with vehicles (some of which still need to be foldered). Even then the tech tree would still be too big on its own (especially if other much smaller nations are being added into it). There is a reason Israel isn’t a US subtree (or for the UK even for that matter, which is an even smaller nation). It was too big to be a sub tree, and the US tech tree was too big on its own.
There is a great reason the US wasn’t apart of the UK tech tree, Israel wasn’t apart of the US/UK TT, and Germany wasn’t apart of the USSR tech tree.
• Timeline, Historically, & Geologically makes no sense :
The T-80UD was used by the USSR. The Oplot simply wasn’t, and existed after the fact. Adding a few Ukraine SSR MAKES MORE SENSE. It doesn’t make logical sense timeline wise to add vehicles that had nothing to do with the USSR, & have renounced ties fully. Russia was left to pick up the mantle. Russia was left to pick up the pieces of the USSR logistically. It being reflected in gameplay, would make sense.
• Gameplay:
Not to mention that would make matches play out in a more stale, over consistent manner. It would be interesting that YOU COULD face a T series style MBT that isn’t Chinese. Therefore maining one nation & lacking weakspot knowledge on can be an actual detriment. I’d love a match up probability that isn’t: Western MBT, Western MBT, Western MBT, Western MBT, Western MBT, Western MBT, One Chinese MBT maybe…
Imagine if Germany were apart of the USSR tech tree, and you never fought them? That would be boring asf personally. Even UK + US? Ugh, thing is it also ruins match diversity. Despite its historical accuracy. You don’t want a guaranteed “I’m stuck with this nation no matter the map or scenario”. It locks you into a binary you can’t escape which I’ve seen most players get burned out easier from.
Overall, if a developer is on the ball. It should make 0 sense to add it to the USSR tech tree, JPN tech tree (there is reason Thailand is there instead), or the US tech tree just based on the first reason ALONE.
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Sub tree in an eastern europe tree? Sure. Sub Tree of russia? It’d be a shitshow.
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I don’t think there will ever be a Eastern European tree.
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Well if you’d like to change that or have opinions on it, here’s the suggestion.
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I don’t care about it personally, I don’t agree armored warfare style trees.
But everyone is welcome to their opinion
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Still a bad idea
Yeah but significantly better than putting ukraine in the USSR tree.
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Is it not a part of the USSR tho
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There is no USSR anymore homie
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Shouldn’t the USSR tech tree then encompass all the ex-soviet nations? It just seems like a very good spot for Ukraine. Gaijin can add one more line of ground vehicles
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No
Maybe it does seem like this to you and minority of people and raiders who voted against independent Ukraine TT, but still the majority of 66% voted for this TT to be separate.
USSR tech tree is already overly bloated and generally hard to research fully
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It does seem the most reasonable addition at this point. Eastern Europe or Ukraine tech tree will be missing a lot of world war 2 vehicles and cold war vehicles and the air and naval tree will be missing a lot too.
A few tanks would still be ok
Yes, domestic ones. I don’t know why people are so gung-ho on getting sub trees to nations that do not need sub trees. Russia DOES NOT need a sub tree. The US DOES NOT need a sub tree. How can you be saying Ukraine should be a sub tree in its own suggestion where it clearly shows it has too many vehicles to be a sub tree. The least I could see it being is a joint nation style tree, like other suggestions have suggested.
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Ya’ll are spicy. Please just keep it all civil
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Gaijin won’t be adding Ukraine anywhere anytime soon, if these kinds of discussions won’t stop.
I’m betting that Gaijin added the Oplot-T to see people’s reactions to some degree.