Out of 99 vehicles, I counted 6 pieces of equipment that were supplied/sold to Ukraine. And 5 that were not produced in Ukraine during the Soviet era, but were in service in Ukraine.
So we have a total of 11 out of 99 weapons that were not produced in Ukraine but were in service (by the way, the Germans have 12 out of 135). I assume that this is not a large number of “borrowed” vehicles and that they can be fitted with the emblems of the countries where they were produced.
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+1 But I’m confused by the fact that most people here think that the introduction of Ukraine into the game is a political decision, when Russian equipment is added every update. Ukraine ≠ politics.
And in order not to disturb people who are so afraid of “copying”, it could be made so that Ukraine could not take battles together with the USSR/Russia. That is, either Russia or Ukraine in one battle. Because even though Ukraine has a lot of unique equipment, it still starts at the top of the 4th rank with Soviet equipment.
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It would be correct to upgrade the USSR branch to rank 3, which would open access to the Ukrainian branch of rank 4. as a separate nation.
this is a great suggestion tbh. for vehicles lighter than a certain weight limit and hit by a certain calibre of large shell (~105-120+) they should suffer hull break and if they are hit by a certain number of smaller calibre projectiles and at certain distribution around the victim vehicle, this should result in hull break as it does IRL.
for example, 6-8 30mm(<— for example) shells hit a BMP with near even distribution on its hull, (2 on rear, 2 on mid, 2 on front and etc), this should destroy the tank if the shots penetrated AND caused damage.
Another issue is actually with how much the BMP auto cannon spalls as compared to lets say the PUMAs 30mm
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thank you. if politics is kept wholly aside, ukraine shouldnt face russia in WT. it should be a subtree of it. because if china and taiwan (once a single country) are one TT, then the same should apply to Ukraine… this would eliminate much controversy and actually build companionship and comradery
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Also I don’t want to face China, Russia and Ukraine when playing France or Germany…
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This can be ensured by a simple rule in matchmaking. When two nations do not intersect with each other. In this case, it is not necessary to combine Ukraine and Russia into a one tree.
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but due to the above reasons mentioned there is no reason not to have it in one combined TT with branches for russian and ukrainian vehicles
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To simulate continuation of the timeline. So not possible to unlock before the USSR collapsed (1991, so rank VII) Only from that point on Ukraine existed as a independent nation.
But because they still use older generation vehicles my idea was that the Ukrainian tech tree will start at VI, so a bigger collection of vehicles then just rank VII.
It will end up just like the israeli TT. A pretty boring tree that can also bring newbies into top tier battles, which isn’t very intersting.
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As for me, it’s interesting…
And it is proposed to make the tree available only after obtaining rank 4 or 6 in another existing tree (maybe even the USSR). So there will be no newcomers there.
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What are the above reasons? I think everything is described very well. Yontzee did a good job and described everything in detail. For example, I see no reason to combine these two trees. Everyone has their own opinion…
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keeping our desires aside, a nation like china and taiwan share a common history. russia and ukraine are no different. it would be unfair to give preferential treatment to one but not the other.
as for reasons: consolidating vehicles of a similar origin in one TT allow that TT to be distinguished and for a ‘relative’ balance to the game as far as the options of who you face while playing as or against such TT’s.
believe me, the last thing we want is for WT to spiral into a ukraine war simulator or worse yet, a T-72 simulator where all sides are just T-series of tanks facing one another due to the popularity. we already see this in game with russia being the most played at least by experienced players
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Giving USSR tree access to western top-tier vehicles would be a very bad idea, so the subtree would have to end with the collapse of the USSR. If it did, then I see no reason why it shouldn’t be added other than the rather sensitive relations between the two sides.
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I don’t see how it would be a bad idea, you currently have other western style trees getting Soviet vehicles, what’s the difference?
well I assume Ukrainian sub-tree would get donated Chally 2, L2a5/6, etc. I don’t think consolidating much of NATO’s toptier into a single non-nato tree would be a good thing. At worst, Germany takes the MiG-29 and Britain might get that squadron T-90. Consolidating each country’s uniqueness into a single tree completely removes any reason to grind out any other tree.
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This type of thing is inevitable, especially with nations that have a good chance making its way as its own tech tree such as Poland. Who’s to say Gaijin will even add the donated equipment if Ukraine is implemented, at most they’ll probably end up as event vehicles.
by western top teir vehicles you mean to say the leo 2a6 that was donated to ukraine?
adding another 2a6 to the game not in the german TT is an insult. besides the way i see it, the subtree of ukraine has enough eastern vehicles to make do without western ‘donations’.
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yep! that, chally 2’s, Bradleys, gepards, etc
even that im against. let the donated vehicles stay IRL. if ukraine decides to buy some Leos then maybe its fair to add them as event vehicles but as it stands right now… i dont wanna see a ‘Leopard 2A6 Ukraine offensive’