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I support Ukraine TT not because I want it to come to WT soon but because I know it will be a very valuable tech tree at some point in the future.
For now, though, I don’t think Ukraine is a viable option. Given both the ongoing situation and other more unique options not being here (namely United Korea, United Balkan (Yugoslavia)), Ukraine is only the next in line after those.
By then, every major tree will be fully developed and fleshed out, and true top tiers (M1A2 Sep V4, Leopard 2A7V, T-14 Armata, Italian Leopard 2A7) should be around by then. You will then find Ukraine interesting because it’s the only tree with vehicles from the globe, mostly due to what’s going on.
But this is something that I expect to happen at least after 2025, but god who knows what will happen by then.
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i totally agree with that, a whole tech tree just seems overkill and wouldn’t be backed by anything much but favoritism if a lot of other very important nations aren’t getting their own TT
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I think it would just be better to combine post-Soviet nations into just one giant tree, or group them by region. As much as a Ukrainian tree would be interesting, the vehicles are just too similar to ones in the game. I want to see new and interesting content, not just a BMP with a different engine
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Imagine that Soviet vehicles were grouped into regional districts and called this region “Ukraine.” You have just described the current situation, rejected the author’s idea, and offered this idea in other words… 🤨
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Nah I’m saying put Ukraine with Poland or something like that.
Also Ukraine is not a region. It’s a state
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Damn, you actually made all the work for them. All Gaijin have to do now is copy paste it and make the vehicles. gj man, looks good.
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I hope you’ve all seen the BM Oplot model in the game by now?
And a comparison of a real tank with a game tank:
The work is just wonderful! Everything is ready!
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There is also the T-84-120 Yatagan:
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I was hoping DanPogan would finish the BTR-4. That’s the last one.
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Copying from the whishlist topic …
A little more info in the T-64B upgrade project ‘Lak’, which involved upgrading to K-5 ERA, better engine & FCS
These resulted in two different T-64 upgrade variants (BM and BM2), each having its early and later variants. Both BM and BM2 projects were started in 1999 but the BM2 project was put in limbo and BM project was pursued.
The T-64BM aka T-64U aka BM Bulat (initially the more expensive upgrade compared to BM2)
Basically envisioned as what T-80U is to T-80BV is what T-64U is to T-64BV
The early 1999 variant of the T-64BM Bulat had Kontakt-5 ERA (not Nizh)
It received the full suite of the 1A45 Irtysh integrated FCS from the T-80UD/T-84.
Irtysh features the 1G46M Promin gunner primary sight and TPN-4 Buran GEN 2+ image intensifier gunner night sight . But no thermal sight for gunner was implemented.
Commander gets the TKN-4S Agat-S, featuring independently stabilized sight with night vision and ability to operate the AAMG remotely on its stabilized mount.
And the ability to fire beam-riding Kombat GLATGM
Improved 2E42 turret stabilizer resulting in improved accuracy and faster turret traverse.
Engine was the boosted version of the 5TDF, the 850hp 5TDFM.
The later T-64BM Bulat version would see certain improvements.
ERA would be changed to Nizh ERA. (Visually The ERA containers are narrower than K-5.)
And in 2017, along with the T-64BV zr.2017 modernization, BM Bulat would receive modern radios, satnav and most importantly the Trimen TPN-4 Buran sight was upgraded with its thermal variant.
The T-64BM2 (initially the cheaper alternative upgrade to T-64BM)
Compared to the early 1999 T-64BM Bulat, the early 1999 T-64BM2 had only the gunner FCS components of the Irtysh. That is, 1G46M Promin gunner primary sight and TPN-4 Buran PA.
No TKN-4S Agat-S for the commander.
Despite this upgrade being cheaper, the T-64BM would eventually be the one chosen to enter service as the BM Bulat in 2004. And the initial batch of 10 T-64BM2 would be kept in storage for 20 years.
After the production T-64BM Bulat proved unsatisfactory, in 2020, the T-64BM2 project would revisited in order to produce a modernize version of it in order to achieve a better T-64 variant than the BM Bulat.
This resulted in being the later BM2 variant being more expensive than the BM variant.
The later 2020 variant of T-64BM2 would receive the 1000hp 6TD-1 engine, that was originally designed for T-80UD & Object 476( Obj.476 was the original Soviet T-64 upgrade from 45 years ago that was cancelled in favor of T-80 upgrade that resulted in T-80U and later the T-80UD).
This required raising the turret ring to accommodate the larger engine compartment transplanted from the T-80UD. This is biggest visual difference indicator between T-64BM and T-64BM2.
The commander would receive the new TKN-3VUM sight with improved night vision.
And like the T-64BV zr.2017, the T-64BM2 would also receive similar upgrades like modern radios, satnav and thermal sight in the form of Trimen’s TPN1 TPV for the gunner.
And the older ERA containers, similar to both the older 1999 T-64BM and older 1999 T-64BM2 was retained and hence can be filled with both Kontakt-5 4S22 elements or Nizh shaped charge arrays.
As opposed to later T-64BM variant which switched to narrower ERA containers and can only be filled with Kontakt-1 4S20 elements or Nizh shaped charge arrays.
Incidentally, the MOU (Ukrainian Ministry of Defense) failed to order Nizh elements for some of the T-64BM Bulat delivered before 2014. As many as 1/3 of the T-64BM Bulats used in 2014 had to make do with 4S20 (Kontakt-1 elements) instead of Nizh.
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I just hope that he is okay and alive. Because I haven’t seen him active for a long time…
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Easy solution. Don’t include too many western vehicles.
Also, Ukraine should be implemented like Israel is - once you’ve unlocked rank 5 in other nations (whichever you prefer: USSR, USA, GB, FR, SWE, DEU, IT) , you should be able to research Ukrainian tech tree. Russian tree can have all their cool toys this way. They have plenty of one off prototypes and small series produced vehicles, cough-cough T-14 cough-cough (but really the objects 490, 195, 187 and so on)
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only after researching rank VII in the USSR tech tree the Ukrainian tech tree should be unlocked (with only tanks from rank VI and higher, vehicles they stil use nowadays. Not the ww2 stuff)
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I found another vehicle that had the Shturm-S turret or the very least prototyped it, the Fahd APC
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Pretty legit find. It’s cool to see the few vehicles that Ukraine has assisted Egypt in modifying.
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Thank you
I find the history of Egyptian armoured vehicles to be quite interesting and the Joint Egypto-Ukrainian developments/upgrades are no exception to this. Also Ukraine did further upgrades on Egyptian T-62’s (Egypt already upgraded their T-62’s since the 1980’s onwards) though there is a chance that upgrade might be already in the honorable mentions tab
Finally another thing Greece is donating their remaining BMP-1’s to Ukraine in exchange for Marder 1A3’s from Germany, Greece already sold off at least 200 BMP-1’s to Iraq and Egypt leaving around 169 operational BMP-1’s left. If you are wondering Greece has 2 variants, the BMP-1A1GR (it essentially omits the ATGM for a M2HB 50.cal among other changes) and a SPAA variant of the BMP-1 consisting of a ZU-23-2 autocannon
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But we do, were post 1991. The USSR is dead comrade
Yes, that is the main idea. Your thoughts coincide with those of the author of the discussion. But why is it necessary to level up to the 7th rank to open the 6th rank?
As most of the vehicles aren’t of Ukranian origin, what emblem do you propose is placed alongside the names of captured/traded vehicles?
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