In general, the tree of the USSR is the tree of Russia. You can see it even without looking closely… All top of the line vehicles are under the Russian flag.
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Well it’s obvious as to why. It’s the only nation that produces native vehicles. Although, it would be intersting if after unlocking the soviet top tier, you could branch out and research vehicles from successor states
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This is the single biggest lie I have heard in a while.
I take it Georgia didn’t produce the Lazika, Azerbaijan never made the ZDKM, Belarus never made the Volat series or 2T. And, of course, Ukraine absolutely never made anything unique, especially if we ignore this entire presented tech tree.
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Not enough stuff for a tech tree. Regardless, you are right, I should’ve said major military producer
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Ukraine has been within the top 5 or 10 largest military producers with its record production in 2012 which they were the 4th largest said producer.
They’ve produced and/or modernized military vehicles (focusing on tanks, tank destroyers, and IFV’s in this case) for Pakistan, Iraq, Indonesia, Jordan, Thailand, and Turkmenistan which is not limited to the BTR-94, BTR-4, BTR-4M, BTR-3E, BTR-3RK Tank Destroyer, T-64B1M, T-84 Oplot-T, T-80UD, and T-72UMG. That’s all the ones I know off hand and they have definitely worked with others. That’s not including APC’s, small arms, individual equipment, etc. which isn’t relevant to the game. Missiles and munitions are another major thing as well such as the Falarick (which is in-game), Stugna/Barrier and the Kombat GL-ATGM which has been at least exported to Georgia.
Anyways this is more than most nations, especially since Ukraine isn’t a “major power”.
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Spontaneously I would love to see a Ukraine tech tree. However, we have very many tech trees already and therefore I am generally against implementing new ones and would rather see Gaijin focusing on fleshing out some of those we already have.
That said I could totally see a future techtree under Ukrainian flag bolstered by lines of other countries in the region. Maybe a slovakian, romanian, georgian, kazak and/or turkish. Especially if there is a cluster of those nations with common heritage, like the scandinavian countries. I’m unfortunately not well versed enough in the regions history to make such suggestions, but with that sort of end goal I would happily welcome a “Ukraininan+” tech tree.
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Slovakia would be better served in a Czechoslovak or V4 tree and Turkey can work independently.
I don’t see much reason for Georgia, Kazachstan and Romania to be part of UA either.
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None of the vehicles you mentioned are unique, almost all are modifications of soviet equipment
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this seems a bit extreme to make it an entirely new tree, it has a lot of unique vehicles to offer but in the end it would be like finland is to sweden, or south africa to britain, they may not be on good terms at all now, but it would make more sense for ukrainian vehicles to be appart of another tech tree like the USSR (or whatever may please people that wanna talk about politics) however war thunder is not a gmae focusing on politics, but on vehicles and armored warfare, it is silly to wanna input it into the game by making it something entirely different for no big reasons, tho i agree the idea of more rank IV starting tech tree like israel is nice for veteran players and i’d love to see more, but ukraine doesn’t have much to offer from the home made appart from some BTR’s, the T84 and the OPLOT
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Why wouldn’t they be unique?
I don’t see any other nations designing and producing these exact variants that performa differently from their base model or modifications from other countires.
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not a good enought argument, for the longest time israel was a bunch of vehicles in a bunch of tech trees, same for argentina and switzerland right now, a lot of unique designs end up in weird tech trees, like, the T72M2 getting in the USSR premium/event line, ukraine probably won’t be any different the day it comes in, probably as a event vehicle for the T84 and some battlepass or other grindy ass impossible to do building event for the OPLOT, and maybe the BTR’s getting in the actual tech tree, the best outcome would be a sub tree in a USSR line or completing some gaps
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Said longest time is over, no? Israel is a playable nation now, so that just comes to show that any nation that has vehicles present in other trees isn’t locked out of being a viable option.
Czechoslovakia or Poland could very well be future additions to the game as independent trees. Considering Ukraine doesn’t have any vehicles in game that’d “lock” them into the USSR tree they’d arguably be more free in how they’d get implemented.
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you entirely missed my point and i don’t wanna argue with you on that.
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All the vehicles I mentioned are unique and at least 2/3rds majority feel that way too. Idk what to tell you 🤷♂️
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This can go on forever if you prove to someone that this is a unique technique. That the difference between the T-64BM Bulat and a conventional T-64 is greater than the difference between a Leorad 2A6 and a Strv 121/122. Then a new “skeptic” will appear and everything will have to be explained to him anew. Before the “events” people lived in a world where Ukraine did not exist. So they are simply sure that these are all copies. And when they are sure of something, even without a good reason, they will not even listen… I’m sure not even everyone looked at the tree in detail. They just saw T-64s and T-80s and already know that there is nothing unique about Ukraine.
I can tell you a secret, but really unique tanks stopped being produced sometime after the Second World War. All these Leopards, Abrams and Leclercs carry the same idea. And in the game, they are almost identical: the same layout, the same turret rotation, and the same ability to fire. The only difference is in speed, armor, and armor penetration, plus a slightly different appearance. This is the difference suggested in the Ukrainian tree above. Are you expecting tanks that will fly, shoot lasers and teleport? (Although the latter are already in the game…)
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I don’t think anyone is against those vehicles being added, but making a tech tree isn’t viable with the current system
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When helicopters or the Israeli tree were deployed, it did not stop the Gaijin…
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Oh no, don’t ctrl+c ctrl+v again, please. Let the truly unique vehicles of Ukraine be attributed to the branches of other trees
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Just because a country could work in its own TT doesn’t mean it should.
It’s been tried already with Israel, Japan and Italy with the result being that they are very unpopular to play, supposedly mainly because of being so thin.
So lets not repeat mistakes that’s already been made and try something else that seems to be working instead. And maybe add a Korean line to Japan while we’re at it :)
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That doesn’t even make sense. This tree has 5 decently full lines and I’m working on trimming it to try and match in-game nations format, and it has significant community support/popularity. Literally one of the highest voted suggestions ever which can give you insight on popularity/usage it would have if it were implemented. Not to mention comparing it to Israel and downplaying the significance of Japan and Italy being in-game is ridiculous. What you said is based on perspective as Italy and Japan are not actually played as much (like other minor nations) because the US, Germany, and Russia have the most popular vehicles that everyone recognizes and have been always known as the big 3. Israel isn’t played as much because it actually has a thin tree that lacks many basic vehicles throughout the Ranks to keep it competitive. Israel HAS several other vehicles (other than MBT as well) not in-game that could beef it up and increase its popularity which would make the tree actually enjoyable.
Also save the Japan and ROK for another thread because it was not a pleasant discussion on the old forum.
Beyond the comment. Ukraine has a defense industry that makes unique vehicles like the BTR-4, BM Oplot, Yatagan, Otaman-3, Kevlar-E, etc. which are good-unique vehicles. They make several good ground or air missile systems and munitions that are developed from companies like “Luch” that have high penetration and reliability which are exported. They’re developing new indigenous vehicle programs even now and are trying to work with nations like Poland (since Poland is in the midst of a massive rearmament/modernization) to expedite their development. There really isn’t a lot of nations out there that have competitor defense industries that have export successes. I keep hearing the same argument that “Ukraine just keeps modifying Soviet vehicles”, what do you think Russia is doing along with other nations worldwide? They’re literally just modernizations. There’s several modernizations of T-72, Leopard, etc. that are seen in-game and are popular. Look at Poland which is a in-demand nation to be added in-game, they took the T-72 and made the PT-91 Twardy, or when Czechia took the T-72 and made it into the T-72M4CZ, or even when Serbia (or Yugoslavia) took the T-72 and made the M-84-series but apparently if Ukraine makes the T-80UD into the Oplot or other vehicles like the BTR-80, etc. into the BTR-3 or BTR-4 they’re just “Soviet modifications”. Ukraine, like Poland or Czechia, Serbia etc. are full independent nations. People want these nations in-game but in order to do so require Soviet vehicles and modifications of Soviet-origin vehicles to make an actual full, competitive tree. -Also it’s already been discussed by mods that while Ukraine was a part of the USSR at one point, it doesn’t matter for in-game purposes as nations still can be added individually. The hypocrisy nowadays🤦♂️
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