You don’t want to see smaller nations in game?
Well, if they added Ukraine to a future Polish TT as a Sub TT, Poland could have Battleships in its naval tech tree. Just food for thought. I think it would probably be the best solution overall, though. Least controversial option by far.
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An-196 Liutyi could now possibly be a candidate for an indigenous UCAV
Also for infantry, we could have the upgraded and unmanned BRDM-2 with a new engine, transmission and more armour
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I doubt casevac and logistic drones will be suitable for infantry but there’s still some interesting stuff shown during the parade.
I don’t know what other people’s opinion on this is, but I am not opposed to a Ukranian tree, though I kind of think a ‘eastern europe’ tree would probably have a greater chance of being added and having full vehicles at all eras. Like for Pre-WW2 and WW2, they did eastern europe vehicles like Poland and stuff, then Cold War they did “Eastern Bloc” with soviet vehicles (which would greatly benefit the SB community instead of adding soviet tanks to german and italian trees), then post-cold war they did eastern europe again that is west of Russia (Poland again and stuff, to Ukraine), I think that would be pretty cool as a good full-tech tree.
I don’t know if it’s been suggested like this before or anything but I think that could be a beneficial way to add Ukraine but also get vehicles of almost all eras into the tree, and be relevant in all eras as well as all gamemodes (I know most people don’t care about SB anymore sadly but adding more nations that could fight on the Warsaw Pact side of cold war eras could be nice for queue times and realism).
To be fair, East Germany did fully use soviet origin vehicles (and would modify some iirc) and quite a few would be inherited during reunification. Even with Switzerland as a sub, a good amount of options for German air would be lost.
There’s been a few ideas floated and a suggestion made as seen below.
While in theory it would be nice there’s a couple of problems imo with a conglomerate tree.
- Who is included? Now with Dual Korea approaching, it sets a precedent that coalition trees are viable additions. Problem is that the number of countries isn’t certain. Also EE tree concepts have vastly different countries included.
Some like Czechoslovakia, Poland and Yugoslavia have a good amount of options across the board (barring Czechoslovakian navy of course). Ukraine has a lot of ground options but lacks enough domestic air options for a tree (from what I recall 1 SU-25, 1 Mirage 2K, 2 Mig-29, 2 Su-27, 3 L-39s and a prop plane with R-73). The Baltics and Georgia have a few nice options but not a ton. As far as I’m aware Moldova and Bulgaria have 2 unique ground units though I suspect I’m missing some. Belarus wpuld have a decent amount of ground but probably wouldn’t fit since it’s aligned with Russia in contrast to most of EE being either part of NATO or neutral.
- Not enough room for ground. Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia all have enough for a ground tree of their own, not to mention Ukraine has a very good selection at higher tiers + options from others but with the 3 vehicle/folder limit per line in a tier, there probably won’t be enough room for all of EE to be represented well. Air, naval and Heli might have enough room but ground most likely won’t.
One thing I will agree is having more redfor or neutral orientated trees would be nice considering 6/10 of the lead trees are NATO members (yes I know most ex Warsaw Pact, Yugoslav and USSR counties in Europe are now in NATO but still).
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Does anyone know if the 2S1Us were ever built? It wouldn’t be anything ground breaking (only difference would be using a MT-LBu chassis instead of the MT-LB) but could be something to make the spg line a bit more unique.
+1 with a mix of Eastern and Western vehicles
Updated BTR-4E with a Topaz combat module at MSPO expo 20206
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Topaz combat module?
Koral SAM on a Tatra truck, apparently in the works since 2016
(Kinda interesting to me that it’s being compared to the patriot)
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Perhaps this was posted or not but this has to be my favorite Ukrainian Frankenstein yet
T80 hull with Shilka turret and strela missiles
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Well, for us, everything can be spaa, like tank, car, plane, helicopter, boat, drone, ship container and others
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Yes as in it was posted?
Yes as in i want that in game
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There may be something very similar. Not sure if this is the same tank
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This is the only reason I would be somewhat ok with Ukraine as a subtree
But the thing is neither Ukraine never had any late battleships, I think just 2 when they were a protostate in like 1919-20-21 or something. Just mid dreadnaughts
I think for Poland we can either skip the Navy (not good option) or just not have battleships. Poland coastal has more than enough and really unique stuff so we could just have coastal. For blue water we have everything up to cruisers and like 1 or 2 British cruisers. From there we can supplement battleships with guided missile cruisers (which from what I can see is already what gaijin is doing for some nations)
The only benefit Ukraine would bring in that aspect is the incomplete slava class cruiser which would be the only missile cruiser in the tree. But otherwise Ukraine didn’t really inherit anything from the USSR that Poland didn’t already have or had a similar domestic solution.
And nowadays the Ukrainian navy is coastal missile batteries and remote guided bomb boats so not really game competitive
Conclusion: Ukraine wouldn’t really help all too much for naval