Dream on. If it worked that way usa and ussr would be full of eachothers vehicles. And unlike them Ukraine can’t operate any captured vehicle that isn’t a tank for obvious reasons
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These are only 1-2 tanks in a tree. That’s why we are discussing all this, to determine whether to add, for example, leopards A5 to the Ukrainian tree. In my opinion, tanks that have been modified or modernized in Ukraine can take a place in the tree. Leopards A4 or M-55S covered with ERA are a great option. Everything else is for events, I guess.
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USSR and USA trees are already oversaturated with their own vehicles. I’m pretty sure USA will have that trophy T-90A from Louisiana parking lot sooner or later, because nowadays every nation gets T-90 in our fantasy historical game.
As for Ukrainian tree, I’m not a fan of adding RU trophies to regular tree personally (maybe only as event or pack vehicles to milk players willing to pay) but as I said, no one can deny the sheer amount of trophy T-72B3 tanks used by AFU. 190 B3 tanks were documented captured. Even with pessimistic estimate that only 30-40% of captured vehicles are instantly “combat ready” after capture, that’s still enough to warrant B3 place in the regular tree.
Ukraine can’t operate any captured vehicle that isn’t a tank for obvious reasons
AFU already operates the whole bunch of captured vehicles. From every possible ru tank, aside from T-14 and T-10M (still waiting for that one!), IFVs, APCs, SPAs (like Msta-SM2 and 2S34 Khosta) to some exotics like TOS-1A.
Obviously AFU can operate captured Mi-8 and we are yet to see if they will manage to repair captured Ka-52.
I will emphasize again, only Gaijin will decide which vehicles to include in the end. But with Ukrainian tree they now have limitless possibilities
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This is just another reason to put them in their already existing tree.
B3 can supplement Ukrainian tree if necessary, it is in no way the reason to stack dozens of Ukrainian vehicles into some unnamed “existing tree” like UA tree haters want.
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Don’t forget, Ukraine should get the M1A2 Abrams Ukrainians to Get U.S. Tanks by Fall > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News
Trophy vehicles, while they can be added per rules, just don’t make sense while the conflict is in a hot state. At a later point they could be added but aren’t really needed tbh.
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Back to your idea, maybe if we removed the matchmaking limitation then I can definitely see it working, also I saw this same idea pitched for South Africa and Britain, would be a viable way for Gaijin to do sub-trees than rather the way they do them now, I personally wouldn’t mind either way, but many seem to agree with the idea you pitched here.
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As some good news, The 6TD-2 is in-game now, for the first time as far as I know.
Modeled, with sounds, damage model, etc. Ready to go for Ukrainian vehicles ASAP!
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Could be around the corner, they added the falarick 105 to those Swedish vehicles, who knows.
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The US said months ago they will take some of their M1A1 tanks from stocks and deliver them to Ukraine as opposed to sending newly produced M1A2 for the sake of speed, so it should be the M1A1 SA or M1A1 FEP as we’ve seen Ukrainians train on those. We’ll see which one of those two variants the AFU gets later this month. They will probably also get more modern M829s like the A3 or even A4 but you could just add the KE-W for balance.
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I proposed this matchmaking because many people started complaining about “clones” in the proposed tree. Personally, I don’t see any “clones” here, each technique presented has something special, but this is just my opinion.
And here I see only 2 ways out:
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To make a tree like Yontzee suggests, which will start from rank 4, 5 or 6. Then the restrictions on matchmaking can be removed. After all, the vehicles in the tree will be different from other trees.
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For each tree (Russia, Ukraine, and possibly other post-Soviet countries), start the tree from the first rank. That is, ranks 1-4 will contain Soviet vehicles. Ranks 4-5 will have mixed equipment (Soviet + Ukrainian, for example). And from the 5th rank only Ukrainian. And so on for each tree with post-Soviet vehicles. But in this case, one and the same Soviet tank can go into battle with different nations. For example, an old T-64 can be paired with a modern Ukrainian BMP. And the same T-64 can be paired with a modern Russian BMP. And in the end, it turns out that there are 2 identical T-64s for different nations in the game at the same time. And people who are afraid of “clones” will not be very happy with this. So I suggested this kind of matchmaking.
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I counted at least 27 of them on video + 1 was seriously damaged on photos, so there was definitely 28+ of them
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Seeing how Gaijin is currently doing subtrees, I’ve created a theoretical tree with post-Soviet Ukrainian equipment, feel free to ignore foreign equipment, it’s there just in case some were wondering what it would look like.
Keep in mind this tree is still being worked on and there is some unfinished BRs. It only includes current vehicles in the tree and most vehicles from Yontzees suggestion + newer ones (some Belarusian) for fun.
This one also includes the mythical T-24
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I get your worry but if you look at what Gaijin seems to have planned, many trees will end up bloated later on, you have Gaijin adding the commonwealth nations to Britain, which will probably be much bigger than even the Soviet tree when that happens. Just imagine how Britain will look with India added.
Still, I am more inclined to believe that trophy equipment should not be added. Also, Western equipment that has not been modified or changed by Ukrainians should not be added.
BMP-1MS or BMP-M1S. An excellent alternative with an uninhabited tower to BMP-2M.
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It’s a pity that this engine was first added as part of MBT-2000, but better than nothing, I guess. At least it should be a decent tank.
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The proposed tree includes a BTR-4 “Bucephalus” with a PARUS turret. Interestingly, this BTR-4 was also fitted with other turrets. For example, the BAU 23×2 turret. BTR with it can be a premium addition or in the main tree.
BTR-4 "Bucephalus" BAU 23×2
More about the tower
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