Ukraine Ground Forces Tree

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T-80UD ingame is from Ukrainian SSR. The Pakistani T-80UD ingame was actually never in service with Pakistan and is a Ukrainian demonstration vehicle sent to Pakistan for tests in the 90s (ingame it has a similiar factory designation to T-84).

I personally think they should add SSR flags for all of the republics as a decal and additionally add the Georgian SSR flag for Su-25, and whatever other flags need to be added for other vehicles.

They can also add the Russian SSR flag for most of the ingame vehicles right now

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4190

Hence why I said most of them are already there.

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4191

I forget was the KF41 added to this list already?, Ukraine has almost a dozen with more arriving straight from the factory by November.

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4192

I am actually curious that Ukraine, as a part of the Soviet Union, and even a part of the East Slavs, should not have left the Pan Slavic region like Poland did after 2014. Therefore, I believe it should join the SOV (in fact, most of Ukraine’s modern military equipment is based on research projects from the Soviet era, so it should join the SOV, just like Poland joining Germany)

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Poland did not join Germany

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4194

Sadly, that’s false.

ACHTUNG! YAPPING!

To prove that, tell me how many Ukrainian (post-soviet) ground vehicles do you see there? How many Ukrainian planes do you see there? How many Ukainian ships do you see there? None.

If it was indeeed Soviet TT, we would’ve seen much more unique/modified designs in the tech-tree. For example, are Belorussian tanks/planes out there, in TT? Kazhakh? Azerbaijani? Armenian? And the rest? If we are so deadass, where are Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania? These are all ex-Soviet states, but where are these vehicles? In other TTs (Lithuanian Vilkas), or locked behind limited-time events (Belorussian-modernized Kazakh Su-25BM, in fact the only representative of ex-Soviet republic in whole Soviet TT, unless there is one or two I really missed).

What about ukrainian equipment? Where is it? It is in Chinese TT (ex-Ukrainian T-80UD and Chinese/Pakistani tanks powered by ukrainian-produced 6TD-1/2 engines), in Swedish TT (Finnish CT-CV 105HP and Swedish CV90105 using Ukrainian-developed and produced Falarick 105 ATGMs). They are not there, in Soviet TT, they are anywhere but there.

How long top tier exists? Or, rather, Ranks 6-7? More than 5 years? Wasn’t there a single Ukraianian developed and produced vehicle to include? Wasn’t there a single Ukrainian modified aircraft to include? There were, there are, there will be. But where are they?

Devs specifically keep Ukrainian modern equipment away from Soviet TT so you wouldn’t really know Ukraine is part of Soviet TT. To do that, you would need to google who made T-80UDs, T-64s, T-54 and so on. But there is no clear evidence of Ukrainian vehicles in Soviet TT, not even Ukrainian SSR if we are that deep into it. Is it fair? Absolutely not, as Ukraine, regardless of the year of 21st century, will, sadly, remain ex-Soviet state in history.

I can guarantee that Ukrainian vehicles are kept away from Soviet (or rather Russian at this point) TT intentionally. Is it because the game was “born” in Russia? Is it because devs don’t want to enrage their Russian playerbase? Is it because Western and CIS players, including Ukrainians, don’t want Ukraine to stay by the side of Russia (even if it is video game)? All these assumptions may have a place, but I did not hear a single justification on the topic of Ukrainian vehicles/equipment in Soviet TT from Gaijin officials.

I will repeat: I am not against Ukrainian vehicles/equipment to be in Soviet TT (it is not called Russian for now for a reason), but only if:
a) not the same type of nation representation as Canada/Australia. It is just horrible, a lot of people would agree with me.
b) rework/remaster/update of the UI for large nations. Ukraine can easilly benefit from at least 3 lines, but squeezing it into existing ones will bloat an already large TT. I like @MAUSWAFFE’s suggestion of nation folders.
c) no captured modern equipment. I am against T-90M with American flag on it in the US TT and so against CV9040/M1A1/Leo 2A4 with Russian flag and "Z"s across the entire vehicles. If we want Leo for Soviets, just add Leopard 2A4V with Ukrainian flag on it, as a part of sub-TT, like @Yontzee has already suggested.

I hope that kind of explains some things, at least from my POV. Also, mods, if I somehow touch them politics too much in this post, tell me where shall I edit stuff or remove it.

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4195

Does Ukraine have any domestic aircraft?

4196

I itterated it as Ukrainian-modified planes, in the text below there.

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4197

Dang this really is a really good point, just a heads up you spelt Lithuania as

4198

There are modified aircraft such as:
Moravan Z-137 Agro Turbo turboprop with R-73
L-39U
Su-25M1
Mig-29MU1
Mig-29MU2
Su-27P1M
Su-27UB1M

I’m unsure if any of the F-16s and Mirage 2ks have been uniquely modified. There is also the Su-24 modernisation but as far as I’m aware, only allows Scalp/Storm shadow use

4199

Side note on 6TD engines: I know these were developed de-jure in Ukrainain SSR in 1970s, but de-facto modern Chinese/Pakistani tanks use Ukrainain-produced ones, not Ukrainian SSR.

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4200

Any that Ukraine designed and produced?

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There are Antonov planes, but they are either hard to include to current gameplay and/or designed in Ukrainian SSR. Also, I see what you were/are trying to do. He just replied to say there are Ukrainian planes that were modified, not necessarily produced/designed.

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4202

I believe you misunderstood what I meant, I’m aware there’s little representation of these nations, I’m not talking about how Gaijin decided to just add Russian stuff to the current tree which is completely ridiculous. It should already have these other countries.

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4203

I am also not talking about representation of other nations specifically. What I meant was if the tree is both Russian and Ukrainian, where is Ukrainian stuff, and I mean clearly Ukrainian? Not via looking for it in Wikipedia, for a few specific parts, but in-game, where it can state it is indeed Ukrainian vehicle, used by Ukraine (or at least Ukrainian SSR, even though it would be wrong to state such a country operator), and not just colectively “Soviet”? Even if we exclude Ukraine from “Soviet equation”, where is the rest? So saying the tree is just as much Russian as it is Ukrainian is false, and the wall of text is just an explanation why I think so.

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4204

Just to clarify: I was only referring to this bit. I agree on the rest of the comment, but not this part.

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4205

I was speaking on that fact that Ukraine was indeed apart of the Soviet equation and had as much to do with it.
I’m aware there’s no post-Soviet Ukrainian vehicles yet.

Spoiler

(I think of most stuff from a historical perspective which is probably a mistake on my part.)

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4206

600px-Understandable,_Have_a_Great_Day

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4207

Yes that is the company now I remember, there was a combat variant of some sort wasnt there?

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I can only remember the Soviet era An-2 and An-72P being combat capable though I’m probably missing something.

Otherwise the rest are transport or civilian.

Unless we count the An-40 /j

960px-AntonovA40

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