it wont be anything special, its just USSR 2.0 with a lot of copy paste vehicles and lack of any WW2-WW1 related stuff that isnt just straight up copying T-34’s and BTR’s.
as i said earlier, this “tech tree” is not viable unless you want another boring TT with the same 4 tanks with small changes.
Everyone has there opinion, which is fine. A strong majority of people disagree with your stance and do see the tree beyond “copy and paste”.
so far the entire thread just shows barely modified or lend lease stuff, i can say that the only original tank here worth adding is the T-84 oplot as a premium or event but thats it, adding this TT will destabilize the balance again just like what happened with israel.
if this had more native or heavily modified vehicles that could be considered another whole vehicle then it would be considered a while ago.
There’s several vehicles that underwent either significant change or are an original design. Not to mention, all the combat modules are original and marks Ukraine as one of the first nations to use unmanned turrets which is a pretty significant change.
Ukraine developed 2 sets of improved ERA that’s superior to Kontact-5, cornerstone of engine development, developed several of its own missile systems, etc. They also have there own hard-kill APS which is in Turkish use.
The iconic BM Oplot, Oplot zr. 2000, T-64BM, T-84-120 ‘Yatagan’, T-72-120, BTR-4, BMPT Strazh, Otaman-3, etc. are all pretty majorly different vehicles.
I mean a T-series with a bustle autoloader derived from a Leclerc design that fires 120mm rounds is quite unique if you ask me. That’s just one of several.
Tifon-2A, A Ukrainian Modernization w/ a Peruvian Touch
AB-13 and Azovets as well! Hopefully the gravehawk and dragon spaa can join once more information is released on them.
If an eastern/central European tree comes into being, maybe the Ukrainian M1A1 SA-ukr and Leopard 2a4V could be foldered with the polish Abrams and Leopard 2PL?
Guess you’ll just have to wait and see when I get a working version ready :D
Can’t wait!
Also this is a huge long shot, but if you think it could fit, maybe the Baltic states could be included?
They may not be many vehicles, but they do give quite a few low tier ground, air and coastal options (plus the Latvian scimitars are apparently equipped with spikes, though I haven’t seen any images).
Yeah I will add the Baltics though (I planned on adding them, just forgot to update my list earlier), the likelihood of seeing the Vilkas in any type of research tree is non-existent due to it being an event vehicle.
How much nations?
Roughly per the long-term leak. Will NOT include former-Yugoslavia nations.
Very nice line up!
What is the need for so much nations?
Tbh this amount for a single TT looks quite an overkill.
Still, if we couple Ukraine and Poland and keep the amount of vehicles from both suggestions, higher ranks will appear too compressed with vehicles (which is not bad in long shot but would be rough to grind through) and lower ones will be too diffused with complete C&P. If we take CZ/SK as well, it will equilibrate lower ranks but will absolutely bloat top ranks with that amount of vehicles (even if we take original designs only).
I would guess that Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia would be the largest roles across the tree, Ukraine would bolster the high tiers. The Baltics and Bulgaria are most likely to be used for the early tiers as the Baltics have a few tier 1/2 options (I’m not well versed in the Bulgarian vehicles).
The problem is the 5 line limitation imo or the need to grind x amount of vehicles to move onto the next tier.
It’s pretty much both, but as we are taking into account current limitations and mechanics (there is no 6-line or nation folder option yet) on which we ground these suggestions, I don’t see other ways of implementing them nations otherwise
Well the Baltic naval forces are easy as (ifrc) there are two gunboats (viesturs class minesweepers and the LKL partizanas) while the EML Trom can act as a fast gunboat.
(If subs are added the the ronnis and valek class subs could also be added)
Ground is a bit harder as barring the vilkas and scimitars with spikes, the other viable vehicles (Landversk L 181, M27/28 and Vickers 1937) are all low tier, which PL/CZ/SL can all cover.
I’m unsure about the situation in low tier air so I will just list the Baltic aircraft:
Vef I16
Vef JDA 10M
Cukurs Cbis/C6
Anbo 41
Pn-3
It is a shame with the limitations, but even if the Baltics cannot get into a tree like this, at least most vehicles can be given to other nations (UK and France helped with some of these vehicles as an example)
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It’s a trial based on the long-term leak list. Seeing what I can do with it.
As for standalone CZ/SK or standalone Poland, it doesn’t work. I’ve tried multiple times already in the course of 4 years in any way I could realistically make it work because I want to see them work. It’s thinner than Israel in some parts or even lacks a Rank which isn’t sustainable for growth especially profit which would drive development. That’s just the ground tree, without a comparable filled air tree there’s no point. The standalone trees that are out need reworking of some vehicles BR/Rank. They’re either put too high or too low which if corrected, leave Ranks blank. My Visegrad Tree suffers from some similar issues which I have to iron out. If you want to look at somewhat of what an independent tree would look like for Poland, CZ/SK, etc. nations, look at my Visegrad suggestion and remove the other nations from it. The Visegrad suggestion was my answer to try and get them in-game sustainably/fairly.
