Algerian T-72AG tanks upgraded locally with help from Ukraine
rumored to be more than 80 in service
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Good all around!
Maybe for the BTR-80UM : )
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It is difficult to find information about Nizh or Duplet ERA, especially tests and reliable performance measurements.
Do you have a timeline of tests for the ERAs?
I know there was a test in 2008 for Duplet…
One in 2003 for Nizh then….
I have searched further but maybe this link is the best I could get, although I am sure you are aware!
Since Andrei is the one quoting this report in his articles, why don’t you try to ask him directly, in his twitter for example?
Also on an unrelated note, found link to this nice presentation on defunct Mikrotek site:
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From another video game forum, I know.
But maybe it has some truth to it.
And maybe someone can use a translation thing on it? I can’t seem to do it.
Declassified, apparently : )
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Thank you!
Noice!
I looked over the topic a bit more, I think Blastertitans idea would make sense, only thing I’d worry about is not being able to queue with a friend using another nation such as Kazakhstan, Belarus or Russia, not sure if this was a limitation or not, Iirc it wasn’t, just a unforeseen one.
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PT-91 Twardy of the 10th Operational Corps, Armed Forces of Ukraine
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Ukraine is just a copy and paste of USSR for literally all the ranks until VII, so why bother copying an existing tech tree when it could be a subtree? I’m not opposed to the idea of getting Ukraine’s T84 Oplot and T64BV though.
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If the vehicle is functionally different in game, it’s not really copy-paste.
Would you call the STRV-122s all copy paste? Especially when most, if not all, they have been thoroughly modified and have relative advantages in key areas.
That’s very close to what Ukraine does with Soviet-stock equipment.
Apart from producing their own stuff.
And having soviet-stock equipment we don’t have in game.
And vehicle types* we don’t have in game at all.
*Objectively (I consider an MRAP or BRDM with an ATGM system mounted different than what is available)
In some aspects, I would consider the modification done to Soviet-stock equipment even more extensive and/or effective than the modification done to Leopards serving as STRV-122s.
New engines, armour, transmissions, sights and ammunition.
A whole lot.
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Still trying to figure out how Azovets, BMT-72, Oplot family, BTR-3/4 family and so on are copy paste
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There is as much in common between the T-84 and Soviet tanks as between the T-80 and T-62.
If you compare the T-80 and T-84, the only thing left in common is the hull.
T-84
I won’t even write about BM Oplot.
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Maybe it would be fruitful to make a seperate post about the alleged “copy paste” in this same area of the forum as it is constantly being raised as a point of contention?
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sorry for my english
You are very wrong. Ukraine developed and modified a lot of equipment, for example: T-55AGM, BVMP-64 (there are many versions of this BMP), BVMP-84, T-72-120 and so on. Yes, the equipment was in small copies, but its variety is very rich.
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Ukraine tech tree would be hella interesting, especially since they currently have a tank of every country including captured Russian ones. They’ve also done a lot of modifications to their existing platforms including ERA packages to Western tanks they’ve received.
There’s also new 2023 variants of the T-72, T-80, and T-90 for Russia, but most of them are just cope cage upgrades.
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Back to the topic.
New photos of two additions to the Ukrainian tree, currently serving in AFU.
M1167 HMMWV with TOW
M1A1SA Abrams with ARAT ERA
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Calm down boiz. Opinions are okay, we won’t all agree to the historical/political aspects so be careful to not get yourselves banned/flagged. Please keep it peaceful.
Soviet Union vehicles used by Ukraine are acceptable as other nations like Israel, Italy, etc. use a decent amount of U.S. vehicles/derivatives or similar situations for other nations. It’s just about moderation.
On a side note to address these concerns, I’m working on a tree with @HIMARS_Enjoyer which focuses on eliminating some clones to focus on indigenous vehicles however, some clones will be used as they were utilized since the founding of post-Soviet Ukraine or to add some diversity due to Ukraine’s receiving of Western equipment. Starting Rank adjustments will also be made as well or at least experimented with i.e. Rank V.
I also will be looking at more modern SPH’s capabilities that could be added in-game later such as an actual artillery mechanic and how that would affect the BR’s of all these vehicles.
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