Nope, this form of “we are not responsible” is pretty old in the EU and already ruled on multiple times as worthless. In essence the lawyer Gaijin hired has been in a coma for the last 10 years or is utterly incompetent.
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I also find it a bit disturbing that people are focusing on this issue rather than the fact that Gaijin added a forced arbitration clause to the ToS and Eula… Ok we all know that this is illigal in the EU, and as Gaijin is located in the EU even non EU citicens can ignore that clause, but still
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You spent years grinding your way to top tier and even spent real money on a premium pack to ease the grind—only to be punished by account deletion for taking a long break because of burnout. That’s just wild.
I am actually planning to buy mirage f-1c 200 to get my first top tier but now I am hesitating
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Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but fwiw, it does say “with notice”. So, if you use a good email address that you check regularly, you will get a notice before anything happens.
The subscription thing is also interesting. TEC had a video wondering if this was going to be a War Thunder Plus thing… because it’s the same ToS/EULA for all their games I wonder if it would be War Thunder or possibly something else they offer now or in future that is going to be subscription-based. I think that’s the one thing in here that would really benefit from some kind of official comment.
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Which can be easily missed for life reason or ended up in spam.
I just hope they will at least check the time or money investment of the account before making the decision for us
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Yikes.
Just to lower the income taxes huh.
I’d be willing to bet they share a building with the other tank/plane/ship game distributor lol
The issue here is that you can not change your e-mail linked to the game without the support bending the rules. SO worst case you might lose an account without ever getting a notice due to having lost the e-mail and not being able to change it.
This is literally impossible to win in a court, as “failure to exercise rights” is sth you need to be aware of and there are no “get out of jail free cards” for that.
Illigal in the entire EU.
- every EU citizen has the right to sue, forced arbitration is illigal and any and all arbitration has to be fully agreed on by both parties on a case by case basis.
- arbitration is handled in the courts of the country of residence of the damaged party and the right to do so can not be waved without written consent to a judge.
in the entire EU almost every claim has 3 years minimum, it can be extended longer even if the case was brought after the expiration period if a judge decides to do so.
this is handled in the arbitration papers and does not belong here at all
overall it looks like Gaijins lawyer had a stroke and went into a 10-15 year coma and just now finished their 2015 ToS update without checking how the legal landscape has changed since then.
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The 3-year inactivity TOS is trash… imagine coming back from your military service only to finding out your account is deleted.
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Inactive accounts were already subject to deletion. This just gives a time frame. Also, it says “with prior notice”. If you are going to be away from the game for years, watch your email, or just log in once a year. It is not hard to avoid.
And this comment right here is why you read the ENTIRE threat before posting your own opinion.
Because now we have the same point raised for the 5th time and this time I will say, read the rest of the threat, the issues with your take and the change in general have been adressed multiple times.
TLDR, prior notice is meaningless and often times useless and does not make this ok in the slightest
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I have read the entire thread. You should ASK if I have read the entire thread before making assumptions. Have you read MY other posts in this thread? That’s how you do it, not assume/accuse/insult.
̶I̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶ ̶"̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶"̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶l̶e̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶̶̶o̶n̶e̶̶̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶ ̶̶(̶o̶r̶ ̶m̶a̶y̶b̶e̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶s̶o̶o̶n̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶f̶i̶n̶e̶d̶.̶)̶̶ ̶N̶o̶w̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶d̶e̶f̶i̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶f̶r̶a̶m̶e̶.̶ ̶
EDIT #1: Update/more info from @Bruce_R1:
If you cannot be bothered to check your email for 3 years, and not log into the game for 3 years, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Hyperbole is meaningless. Unreasonable arguments are meaningless. If you want something added like “do not delete an inactive account in less than 5 years that has spent over $1,000” then argue something like that. But making arguments that are completely one sided is what is meaningless and useless in this thread.
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Then you are spamming an already answered question for no reason whatsoever
Nope. it was 5 years written in another document and inactivity was no reason for deleatino
Another stupid point that was already discussed.
PEOPLE HAVE ACCOUNTS WITH E-MAILS THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TO and gaijin does not allow you to change e-mails easily or at all
then why do you make them?
again you claim to have read the threat but again you show that you have not.
You do realise that reading incorporates more than just looking at letters? Understanding what is being said is the point of reading, yet you clearly have not
And just so you know, its not even far into the threat. This exact point was raised in post Nr.7/8
The previous one was around post 15 I believe.
As I said, your entire post was pointless because it was already answered in its entirety.
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*thread
Uh huh, yeah, ok.
Just to be clear, prior to September 2023, the rule was inactivity was they had to wait for five years. This was dropped to three years that month, as part of an across-the-board overhaul to the entire EULA/TOS structure on legal.gaijin.net in that month. I can’t find any record of any earlier-stated inactivity period that could confirm what was written here.
I don’t recall the last time before this update I was asked to re-sign a EULA, so while players who joined since September, 2023 may have seen it, but it’s possible players from before then may not have been officially asked to re-confirm before this June, hence this thread.
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Ok, thank you for the clarification, because on your first post on this thread it says this 👇
Is this “(there was previously no stated limit)” directly from Gaijin? Or was that a comment added by you/another player? That was a bit confusing/misleading. (I have edited my post above to reflect this clarification)
Does this new 18+ limit mean that Gaijin can finally acknowledge that the M18 Hellcat Commander with a direct HE hit to the face is rather “dead” than “unconscious” or “knocked out”
Yeah, my bad there, I added an “edit” note at the bottom when I confirmed that the three year inactivity limit was actually a bit older than I originally thought. Your post then promoted me to go back and see what the previous limit to that was, and you were correct, it was five years before fall, 2023.
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