You do still release their the same airframe and the f14D has the full tech to use aim-120A if it wasn’t for a software update to add the rest of capabilities of the AMRAAMs
Sure sounds contradicting with “cancelled integration and funding”. You’d think if it was that simple, why don’t the navy just bolt on existing aim-120s on those F-14s then?
Tecniqly F-14D need to upgared softwere too use AIM-120 but navy chose a LANTERN pod.
But for me in game logic if they decide to add KH38MT , R27 in IRAN one , APFSDS in BMPT or any thing that not make sense or historical. Or use logic if it ONLY PLAN will get it. I think the reason to add AIM-120 would be ok.
I think people oversimplify “it only needed to update software”. Like, its the late 80s, not 2010s. You don’t just download software over wifi and call it a day. Updating software often involved removing hardware and recabling the aircraft so that it can launch new weapons.
Hell, one of the F-15C’s MLU upgrades was giving it modern enough hardware that can accept software without doing all of this.
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You mean Kh38MT but for Air-Air?
ARMAT in Mirage 2000-5s, the missile was already retired by the time they went to service. The French -5F didn’t even have Ground strike until it’s upgrade that was after the retirement of the missile (before 1999) , Greek Mirage 2000-5Mk2 doesn’t even share -5Fs processor and electronics, it has the Rafale’s ones , fully digitalized , glass cockpit etc .and the plane came 2007 way after the missiles retirement and completely incompatible with the analogue missile. Hell Mk2 can’t even use 530D…Not even -5F could , nor they were technically compatible .
This one too. Why they don’t give it Fatter (practically a 9P-5 in characteristics , it’s not that they’ll work…), but they insist in R-27R fantasy?
Imagine , personally i support historical accuracy and even prototypes/experimentals if they are truly needed , but the game justifies people that ask 120 in 14D, even if normally i would be against it…
They have so many BS in here that 120 in the 14D is more real than it…a damn software upgrade.
The Mirage 2000-5s for example even lack physical components…
A-7H with Shrikes and LANA even lacks the physical components to use them…
They won’t be able to turn on the missiles and pods, they can’t use them.
Ofc you can state your opinion in the forum, but trying to justify GJ in their cherry picking is an auto-loss in the argument.
Imho they should pick a line…in the line GJ has now, 120 on 14D is just as justified as the other examples (even if i don’t want that, i like historical accuracy personally).
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F-16XL is the latest plane with fake equipment and armament
Do they want to wait one more update to make F-14D differ from F-14B?
it has different radar and added IRST
prototypes are treated differently than production aircraft
F-16XL may have lacked weapons but we’re getting a “what if” it had entered service. F-14D was in service and didn’t get AIM120s.
same reason why XP50 and XP55 have guns at all
I can’t believe they called a missile fat
More like if a Fakour and a Mica had a baby
People did complain about this btw, especially on the upcoming greek mirage which should have no compatibility at all.
80’s software upgrade ain’t just downloading things into a computer and it suddenly works. If it were that simple, why was it so expensive that the navy have to slash the whole funding for it?
These were all complained about, rather than being actively pushed, like this tomcat thread.
True prototypes that couldn’t carry weapons are treated differently than existing service planes. idk what to tell you. If your plane never had any weapons, then its easy for Gaijin to make up fake loadouts. The Tomcat is a real plane, with existing weapon loadouts. It is very much not a 16XL or Yak 141
It would be easier if they didn’t implement them in the game because they weren’t needed… But they did.
About what people complained about.
I still see KH-38MT in game which means we already have a production plane shooting missiles that don’t exist and we are here talking about a Tomcat that had the hardware and yes , it missed only teh software. It was set by design to carry AMRAAMs, they components are there. The only thing missing was the update in the software . Go search it…
It’s not that easy as it sounds ,it would take months to do the update in all their fleet… but yes it was an update missing.
And almost no one except Russian players advocated for their continued stay. So why is it now used as an excuse to bring in this fake tomcat?
Kinda weird then, that something designed to carry the amraam 1. didn’t carry one for its entire service life and 2. required the modification of an older F-14A to test out said amraams.
Most of the documents here (and elsewhere so far) have only listed possible provisions for aim-120 on F-14s if they were ever fully integrated. These are not proof that the F-14D can carry the aim-120.
Also:
A defense funding interview is not a usable source. All it covered is “well we’ll fund this program” and “this is how it’ll likely go down if it is funded”.
This would be super easy to implement, and I don’t see why it can’t be done. The F-14D Premium could then receive the AIM-7P Block II. I’m not too sure what would happen to the F-14B, but I’d be interested to hear people’s thoughts.
You now tell me who and what complained and who supported what…
The result is the missile is in the game.
We asked for MiG 29(9-12) with R-73 and R-27R , which was it’s real set up. Gj keeps it with R-27ER that it couldn’t fire it wasn’t compatible etc. We talk about for how many years now.
F-16AJ… where to even start about it. It was never a proto or whatever, it was a proposal. Japan tested a YF-16… GJ gives a Block 10 with Sparrows…The proposal supposed to have 4 Sparrows. GJ gives a Block 10 with 2 Sparrows. It wasn’t even needed…
It’s not Yak 141 and 16XL only… You can go to WW2 vehicles (Ho229 for example) …They do it ALL the time with something.
The ONLY one they didn’t is the F-14D.
So in 1992 that the program got cancelled, the planes wouldn’t have the compatible radar and wirings (practically it was plug and play in the Sparrow slots it needed nothing extra) when till 1992 it was in the aircrafts armament list. Everything was ready for the update when they cancelled it…
They reduced the cost by not upgrading the software , but they kept the ground strike capabilities.
About sources , go read the 14s topic here , it’s better than encyclopedia …It has everything.
No one asked for this btw. Gaijin added them in on a whim and almost everyone want it out.
I haven’t seen a topic saying “the F-14 shouldn’t recieve aim-120” or “The F-14D(R) with 120 may not actually exist”
Only remaining there because either it was forgotten or due to archaic balancing reasons that stuck the ER there. And I never said I agreed with this either - those migs have no business being the same BR as flankers.
At the time of release Japan lacked a sparrow F-16, and arh spam was not as prolific as today. ADFs were still carrying 7Ms. For all intents and purpose, this is more a “what if Japan had an ADF with sparrows” than a true AJ.
I already said that the NF-14 has a higher likelyhood (and make more sense) to add. Not going to spend more time to read about a plane i think shouldn’t be added.
They didn’t even implement the proposal… That’s my point.
They do whatever.
Anyway, personal opinion i’d prefer all the BS protos/experimentals etc out , or because i understand people like them a way for me to not have them in my games if i don’t want to .
Same with the “what if” and “technical compatibility armament that is not compatible at all because the plane has to be wired for it and have the weapon in the database and if it’s older it needs hardware as well” because their “technical compatibility” is exactly that .
Yet, the way GJ has made the game 120 on 14D is 10000% justified. It has more what ifs and protos than Ace Combat Electrosphere and that game was only what ifs.
I don’t have any beef with you, in another occasion i’d say the same…
I have it with GJ that has made any proposal like 120 in 14D 400% justified the way they implement things…
This thread is stupid it’s one dude going in circles trying to justify this. The f-14a testbed would make for a great either squadron or event but other then that it’s been shown and stated multiple times by others that the funding was cut and the program shelved but sure keep arguing wit the people proving you wrong
GJ already has with BS they’ve pulled.
No one needs to justify this. I can keep calling examples that GJ has to justify this.
Yes and KH38 doesn’t exist.
M2000-5s didn’t ever have ARMAT, they were not capable.
Japan tested a YF-16 , not a block 10, the proposal for F-16AJ had 4x Sparrows, 2of them in the wheel doors if i remember.
MiG 29 (9-12) Can’t use R-27ER. Fullstop. The radar was incapable for that missile. There is no technical compatibility. Incapable.
A-7H can’t use LANA/Shrike … Hard incapable.
All the prototypes/experimental planes shouldn’t even be in the game, in fact because of them you can justify anything.
The NF-5A in the game is not NF-5A…NF-5A doesn’t have the characteristics the plane has in game.
IRIAF-14A was incompatible with R-27R. Fullstop.
Mi-28 for Sweden never existed , by the same excuse around 2000 it was …in the Greek KYSEA for new fighter we had Su-27 variants and F-15E participating. It’s EXACTLY the same issue.
Ho 229…it isn’t needed and wasn’t ever needed…Germany had another how many early jets that did fly. Ho229 was just cool enough to add it.
I don’t know how many WW2 protos in the game…
I think some of the F-15s also sport wrong A-G armament that never had in RL.
I can keep going , i’m bored though.
And we are talking for a plane that just wanted a software upgrade and had everything else.
They don’t try to justify. GJ with their actions already did (and i don’t really like it or support it , never did …i like historical accuracy , but after all that crap…yes it is justified to ask for it).
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