I suggest adding Türkiye as a nation because it has a large variety of domestically produced and modified NATO vehicles in it’s vehicle fleet it could also represent some other nations like:
Azerbaijan
Uzbekistan
Qatar
Pakistan
Turkmenistan
and etc.
Here are some possible examples for Türkiye’s Tech-tree:
Ground
Altay MBT
Leopard 2A4NG
M60T Sabra
Tulpar IFV
Kaplan MT
Kaplan-20
Pars Alpha
FNSS Pars 8×8
Arma 8×8
Korkut SPAAG
Hisar-A / Hisar-O
Cobra II
Aircraft
F-4E 2020 Terminator
F-16C Block 50+
F-16 ÖZGÜR
Hürjet
KAAN
TAI Hürkuş-C
F-104G
F-100D
Helicopters
T129 ATAK
T929 ATAK II
S-70 Black Hawk
Possible sub-tree vehicles:
Azerbaijan – Su-25ML Lachin, MiG-29, T-90S, T-72 Aslan
Pakistan – Al-Khalid, Al-Zarrar, JF-17 Thunder
Qatar – Leopard 2A7+, F-15QA
Turkmenistan – T-72B, MiG-29
Uzbekistan – T-72, Su-27
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Pakistan is already working into the China tree
ok, but other countries can still work
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Not particularly, weak connections
Reads like just excuses to simply copy-paste other nation’s vehicle into a “Turkish” tree
Turkic countries including azerbaijan are getting their jets modernized by Turkish firms, its clear that you dont know many things about these connections, but let me talk about a real weak connection, they want to put azerbaijani and greek vehicles in israel tree, turks modernized most of azerbaijani and pakistani ones, do this sound like an excuse to you? if you wanna talk about ‘‘copy paste’’ things that you dont want to see, start with israel and sweden maybe, and tell me what is an excuse or which connection are weak except pakistan and qatar vehicles
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Some minor modernisations of other nations vehicles, but still mostly just copy-paste exports like the T-90S
nothing around minor, also you didn reply israel and sweden comment, well, nearly all of azerbaijani vehicles are getting modernized by aselsan,roketsan,havelsan and tusas, and other turkic countries are getting their vehicles modernized by us also, and these are no minor modernizations since even ballistic computer changes, and of course we dont support to add a fully stock new bought t-90 in our tree, but tanks like t-72 aslan should definitely be in turkish tree, and jets like su-25 laçın or turkish modernized mig-29 etc. these are not minor changes my friend
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Sweden and Israel have plenty of domestic equipment as well
plenty is nothing near the turkish tree you dont like my friend, sweden only has jas versions and a little amount of tanks which are mostly german and in jets part they got f-16s and f-18s (does it sound like a copy paste to you?) israel? israel is full of copy paste except their merkavas with a full air tree of united states, now you are blind to these and you are calling turkish tree copy paste? make sense bro, also israel is getting greek weapons (which are directly from france and usa with 0 domestic modernizations) and you dont care about that also but you are literally irritated by turkish tree. I dont think you are objective
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The sub tree ideas are copy-paste
azerbaijan one isnt, im also not sure about the others, Turkiye and azerbaijan have more connections that norway and finland which are in swedish tree, and also Turkish and azerbaijani vehicles have more experience with eachother than other subtree vehicles, maybe not pakistan and qatar but azerbaijan definitely should be a subtree
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Those were copy-paste too
well nearly all f-18’s and f-16’s except american ones were copy paste if we look that way, but at least there are domestic modernized ones, and there are some in azerbaijan also, so i dont think azerbaijan would be copy paste at all, and also they will be producing kaan together with turkiye which will create azerbaijani kaan options in future too, so its not something to hate
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Azerbaijan ground is mostly export T-72M1’s, T-72A’s, T-72B’s, T-90s, BMP-3’s, BMP-2’s, BMP-1’s, Khrizantema’s, BTR-80A’s, BTR-82A’s, BRDM-2’s, Pantsirs, Buks, Tors, Strela, Shilka etc.
Its just the USSR tree
edit- Nona, Vena, Smerch
they are not plain or same as direct russian tanks or weapons, there are modernizations and also very much domestic things, just t-90s are not modernized by azerbaijan and turkiye, and this makes one of them copy paste while even most domestic trees have more than one direct copy-pastes, i think thats excusable
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No, they are almost 1:1 the same, with a small handful of exceptions
not exactly, t-72s, zsus, osas, su-25s- mig-29s, t-55s, btr-70s,BRDM-2, shilkas and nearly all azerbaijani helicopters are modernized, not 1:1, please dont make somethings up and research first, friend
and also you are still counting t-72’s, they have aslan modernization, they are fully modernized
One of the handful of exceptions. And even then, its more an Israeli modernisation than a Turkish one
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that is azerbaijani-israeli modernization with turkiyes support, definitely not same of the russian ones, and if you are meaning that should go to israel i would say not exactly