hisar-RF is not 185mm, it is 235mm
hisar o:
4.2 meters
hisar o+:
4.6 meters
hisar-RF:
4.7 meters
btw, Hisar-RF uses 180mm RF seeker which is same as gökdoğan BVRAAM
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No, HİSAR-O, HİSAR-O⁺ and HİSAR-RF all uses same missile body; also ROKETSAN’s own catalogue states it as 185mm.
However SİPER Block 0 (Block 1 without Boosters) is 235mm in diameter, you might be confusing them.
HİSAR-O⁺ and HİSAR-RF’s dimensions are the same, length of both missiles is 4.6 meters, from same catalogue
I have no information about that, you got any source for further reading? Though I do know that HİSAR-RF and SİPER 0/1 is using same RF Seeker. Also neither ASELSAN nor TÜBİTAK-SAGE have any information regarding their RF Seekers.
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siper b0/1 is hisar-RF with an atmaca booster. its not the same, roketsans catalogue is wrong about that
and siper b0/1 missile diameter is 370mm with booster
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lütfen bu eklenmesi zaten yeni gelcekler daha helikopetreli silecek
There is zero official documentation stating this. HİSAR-RF and SİPER Block 0/1 is indeed physically similar and Block 0/1 is more than likely derived of HİSAR-RF but there is no documentation to support it.
Yeah sure it is. There is no data other than ROKETSAN and considering Block 0/1 is product of ROKETSAN I would rather believe that source. Unless you have means to access the missiles and measure diameters, there is no point arguing it further.
That’s exactly what I’ve said though? Only uncertain aspect of my comment is that if SİPER Block 0 had booster or not; then again there is little to no information regarding Block 0 excluding its range which is 70km.
There was even claims about SİPER Block 0 being just HİSAR-O⁺ booster; I have yet to find anything official about Block 0 except for the range. With the current available information we can derive one thing, and it is that SİPER Block 0 & Block 1 is derived from HİSAR-RF and has a booster. No other information has official source including claims about using same booster as ATMACA.
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No they are actually not the same. First one is indeed used on GÖKDOĞAN, second one is for HİSAR and third one for ATMACA.
Here is another angle of the same image
And closer shot of HİSAR’s RF Seeker
As you can see photos alone is not enough, I do have images of seeker what I do not have is their specifications.
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The only difference is the cone structure that connects the missile and the warhead. thats it
I didnt say that. i said; siper-b1 missile is the booster added version of hisar-RF missile. not hisar-O+. and it is actually.
this is hisar-RF
and this is siper-b1
and this is atmaca booster and siper-b1
you can see that siper-b1 is just hisar-RF with atmaca booster
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Again you are missing the point. You are deriving this information from an edited footage of the missile, Block 0/1 could be just HİSAR-RF with booster but it is not explicitly stated in any official document. Even reliable secondary sources, such as Defence Turkey, only mentions SİPER Block 0/1 is derived from HİSAR-RF not a single source states it is outright HİSAR-RF with booster.
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You did not, I’m saying there was such claims.
I’m still waiting a proper source for that. As I’ve said above, both official and secondary never states SİPER Block 0/1 is HİSAR-RF with booster. All of them specifically says Block 0/1 is derived from HİSAR-RF.
I do have all those images, again those are from edited videos which give us nothing about actually dimension of missiles. Just because one missile physically similar (or derived from other) does not mean they are same missiles.
That is not accurate way to compare you know right? Even the original source of the images states perspectives of original images are not same. Camera angle and distance should be accounted.
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“SİPER Ürün-1 is developed based on the HISAR O+ RF missile.”
“SİPER Ürün-1, with the booster of the ATMACA anti-ship missile or another variant, has a range of 100 km with a dual pulse rocket motor.”
Yet again supporting what I’m suggesting.
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SİPER Product-1 was developed based on the HİSAR O+ RF missile. The missile, which has a booster of the ATMACA anti-ship missile or another variant, has a range of 100 km with its dual pulse rocket engine.
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what??? how??? :DDDDD directly proved what i said
where exactly? You are explicitly saying SİPER Block 0 is HİSAR-RF with booster, no it is not. It is a missile derived from HİSAR-RF with booster.
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ok bruh :DDDD
Not even the sources you bring here support what you are saying. You do you I guess.
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